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[–] neo@hexbear.net 90 points 3 weeks ago

But no matter who wins in November, the United States will continue to prepare for war with China.

I think that sums up this election perfectly.

[–] halfpipe@hexbear.net 86 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

The plan for the war makes less sense every year.

The US navy doesn't have the capacity to close the Taiwan straight anymore, so the idea now is to blockade the Singapore straight, 3000 kilometers to the south, and cut off Chinese shipping from the world markets... that is to say, the nation that doesn't produce anything but excel spreadsheets thinks it can win a war by blocking the source of all the cheap goods that keep their consumer economies running.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 51 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Indeed, there was a window when US navy had a clear superiority over China. However, that window closed a long time ago. The worry is that the US is going to go nuclear. There was even a policy paper, from RAND I think, that openly advocated using nuclear weapons against China.

There was even a policy paper, from RAND I think, that openly advocated using nuclear weapons against China.

Frankly, this should be known globally, and every one of the ghouls involved in writing this policy should be lynch mobbed, full stop. As a species we have an obligation to neutralize our own who behave in ways that threaten all known life.

[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

RAND

lol

I remember seeing one of their papers about the Russian 'firehose of disinformation' strategy

they literally just described RAND

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago
[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Westoids love to make fun of Russia for supposedly expecting a 3-day war in Ukraine, but like, that's precisely the premise here. We saw what happened when China closed a few ports for Covid. How long do they expect a war over the South China Sea to last?!

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago

Also the same people making fun of Russia for expecting a 3 day war have been insisting the Russian army is 3 days from collapse for a little over 2 years at this point.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago

The US Navy can't even open the Red Sea

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 66 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And just so we're clear - the us and it's groupies are the only people who want this, it's completely one sided, and it's literally because china is better at economies than us?

[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nono, you don't understand, China wants to be ready to invade Taiwan by 2027! Chi a is escalating, not the US! We're just smol bean freedom fighters!

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

freedom fighters

yes in that our government is fighting freedom

[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago

We must fight freedom. A free world is literally violence against The American Way

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago

Better at economies? But I thought gommulism was no iPhone and no food?

[–] CantaloupeAss@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago

holden-bloodfeast

The desecration of holy land to the Hawaiian people for these exercises is just the cherry on top.

Also a 19 year old kid is probably paralyzed for life after, most likely, being propagandized in his high school and having money for an education dangled in front of him, which otherwise our farce of a country would deny him.

Zero introspection in the article of why the USA needs to kill Chinese people, where the money would come from, where it could otherwise go, how similar the jungle green camo looks to Vietnam war photos. Basically just a trailer for a movie we'll be watching in 5 years: USA Kills Again.

Death to America, burn that country to the ground and salt the earth

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 50 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Beijing has made clear that it will seek to expand its power in Asia, from militarizing uninhabited rocks in the Pacific

jesse-wtf

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago

Marshall Islands and Wake Island catching strays.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 34 points 3 weeks ago

This is always funny to me. Like...maybe it should just be their rock? It's in their sea and no one appears to be using it. What? Does the US need it to build a military hospital on in case another one of our Navy SEALs drowns (lol) and needs treatment?

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago

Country With 750 Bases Overseas Is Concerned About Another Country Militarizing A Rock

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So many words wasted to stoke the fires of war but not once did the author ever consider, can this war be avoided? Is it necessary?

[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

They almost never see a war they don't like

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 46 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

450k us troops across the entire Pacific. That is less than Russia has operating in ukraine right now. If the US wants to go to war with China they're going to need to restart the draft to get the 1m plus soldiers needed

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Generals in the US back in 2002 and 2003 were advising we'd need at least 4 million troops to occupy Iraq. We had 4 million troops worldwide including support personnel when we invaded. Lo and behold, the thing they were warning about happened. We wiped out Iraq's military in just a few weeks, but then had no way of dealing with the insurgency or helping civilians get their lives back to normal. Entire cities without water or power for months, making them prime real estate for insurgents to occupy.

Make no mistake, the US will do the same stupid shit we did 20 years ago. The same mistakes made during Desert Storm and Vietnam were never learned from going into 9/11 and the 2003 invasion. Pure adventurism on behalf of the US government.

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I can't imagine that'll go down well with the public.

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[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It'd be a very funny conversation if they tried to recall me long after my contract expired - "I will frag my officers and defect to China". anarchista-chad

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[–] btbt@hexbear.net 46 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Just you wait, wornldews has told me that the wholesome chungus Azov battalion troops will reach and conquer Moscow any day now

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

The reaction from people who've only been guzzling mainstream western propaganda for the past two years is going to be absolutely wild when it's no longer possible to pretend Ukraine is winning.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago

They're already abandoning Ukraine so they can send more weapons to Isreal for the purpose of enacting a genocide. Zeleskyy has been out panhandling, making sure people don't forget he's still alive.

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 45 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

What a fucking opener lol

Early one morning this month, 864 Army paratroopers bundled into C-17 transport planes at a base in Alaska and took off for a Great Power War exercise between three volcanic mountains on Hawaii’s Big Island.
Only 492 made it. Some of the C-17s had trouble with their doors, while others were forced to land early. A few of the parachutists who did make it sprained ankles or suffered head trauma. And one β€” a 19-year-old private β€” began to fall quickly when his chute did not open.

"But yeah we're gonna be ready for war in like three years"

It's pretty striking that the rhetoric is still about US wunderwaffen, which has literally never worked. If the US was equal to China it would still lose in Taiwan, and it looks they're a long way from equal, especially after sending so much to Ukraine and Israel.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You see, they sent all the old junk to Ukraine, the US military has the latest thunder-fuck 9r-x weapon that costs $10m and a small village in the global south to produce each. Meanwhile, the average person in a country being bombed to shit figures out how to take out a tank with a Little Tikes Cozy Coupe car bomb that cost them $20 in household chemicals and duct tape.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago

the average person in a country being bombed to shit figures out how to take out a tank with a Little Tikes Cozy Coupe car bomb that cost them $20 in household chemicals and duct tape.

Often times it's because they're being bombed. The unexploded bombs make for excellent buried IEDs.

[–] Jabril@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

and they will have a dozen of the brand new wonder weapons ready in three years, they might even have one factory to produce them ready in three years if they even start production by then. The US can't even keep up production with the demand in Ukraine, not to mention Palestine and the greater regional war that is forming there. We just watched the last two years of US depleting all reserves and then realizing they can't even replace them, the only option is to go nuclear or go back to the drawing board. Oh and of course the new wonder weapons will be rushed and untested so half will fail before use and another third will turn out to be ineffective in the environment or situation they are used in.

Hard disagree on the nuclear part - going nuclear stops the gravy train for arms contractors because of guaranteed escalation. They'll just do what the bazingafied Pentagon has done for the past 40 years, outsource it more. If the quality continues to deteriorate (it will), the Fed will eventually seize all the pop up drop ship bomb companies under emergency powers. Former jet ski dealership owners who built bomb factories as "a rare investment opportunity" will become radicalized against the military industrial complex.

lathe-of-heaven

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 41 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Why would a war with China star?

China has been a fucking angel when it comes to not increasing tensions and letting america act like they're hot shit in charge of everything because they know they're running laps around us economically and with the green energy boom they're leaving us in the dust.

America can't honestly think they can go toe to toe with a military peer halfway around the world, we haven't won a war against impoverished farmers in decades.

Do people think it looks like an actual attempt to invade China (lmao) or just like a huge naval battle around Taiwan?

Also America is too out of shape and broken from a complete lack of Healthcare leading to preventable diseases becoming lifelong ailments to even attempt a draft, that's before you consider half of the country would riot if the party they dont support tried to institute a draft.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 34 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Yeah they're hoping for an invasion of Taiwan, they talk a fair bit in the article about the difficulty of naval invasions. Which is like, fair enough, but a hundred miles gap puts Taiwan and any US troops there in range of thousands of Chinese missiles. One imagines that an invasion gets a lot easier after sinking a US carrier group or two.

That said, I don't see China going for it. Both countries are pretty okay with the status quo or maybe reunification in the coming decades, but very few people want war.

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[–] LeZero@hexbear.net 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Damn, imagine dying at 19 years old cause the biggest military in the world couldn't be arsed to spend part of its enormous budget to maintain critical equipment

Couldn't be me

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Honestly if we start a war with China they could just cut off trade with us and give an ultimatum to anyone who does trade with us and they wouldn't need to fire a shot to win

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 3 weeks ago

That's really the elephant in the room. The US is deeply reliant on manufacturing in China, and it does not have any viable alternatives. The economy would collapse overnight if a war with China started.

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[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Good, if the US tries to invade China, I hope they respond in kind and bring the US under foreign occupation and denazification

[–] Facky@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago

Please Daddy Xi

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[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Beijing has made clear that it will seek to expand its power in Asia, from militarizing uninhabited rocks in the Pacific to claiming sovereignty over international waters.

Does anyone have that map of the US basically claiming the entirety of the Pacific?

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Early one morning this month, 864 Army paratroopers bundled into C-17 transport planes at a base in Alaska and took off for a Great Power War exercise between three volcanic mountains on Hawaii’s Big Island.

Only 492 made it. Some of the C-17s had trouble with their doors, while others were forced to land early. A few of the parachutists who did make it sprained ankles or suffered head trauma. And one β€” a 19-year-old private β€” began to fall quickly when his chute did not open.

Across the field, shouts of β€œpull your reserve” could be heard before the young private hit the ground and medics ran to treat him. The horrifying scene and its aftermath encapsulate every jumper’s worst nightmare.

lmao there's no way they're ever winning a war

β€œMy sense is that a successful Chinese invasion of Taiwan would send massive ripples throughout the region,” said Seth Jones, a senior vice president with the Center for Strategic and International Studies. β€œChina would likely emerge as the dominant military power in the region, not the United States, and it would trigger a range of second- and third-order effects.”

For instance, America’s Pacific allies could lose faith in U.S. deterrence and try to make security deals with China. Japan and South Korea β€” both treaty allies of the United States β€” could join the nuclear club as a way to defend themselves against China.

β€œIs it quite the fall of the Roman Empire?” Mr. Jones said. β€œI don’t know, but that’s the right kind of question to ask.”

he-admit-it

[–] REgon@hexbear.net 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And one β€” a 19-year-old private β€” began to fall quickly when his chute did not open.

Yeah... That's just regular falling. That's what happens when you step outside a flying machine.

I know this is pedantic, but I dunno that sentence just tickled my funny bone. I'm imagining some sergeant explaining the incident with tactical words "Well uh the private - that is to say the individual soldier who was at the rank of PV1 - initiated a maneuver without previously ascertaining wether he was correctly equipped for the task. Upon succesfully completing several stages of the maneuver he began to experience a negative result of his lacking equipment - That is to say he began to increase his downwards velocity at an accelerating pace."

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There's a metaphor here for what the US is going through. I would almost argue the writer intends it too.

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[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago

Death to America

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm honestly wondering if the US is gonna have it's Suez Canal moments when it actually decides to go to war with China?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I just hope they don't start a nuclear holocaust once they realize they're in over their heads.

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[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

I hate this stupid-ass thanatotic country.

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