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[–] lud@lemm.ee 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. They have always done extended support like this.

[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago

Yeah I'm already switching to Linux next year, I don't need rage bait in my life.

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 1 week ago

Isn't that just the standard MS has had for extended security updates for long? Basically just "fuck you if you don't want to upgrade your old ass system we're gonna charge for maintaining that shit"

I mean I get it, though understand why people don't want to hop to win11 but get on Linux then bitch

[–] Switorik@lemmy.zip 38 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is just the beginning of a yearly subscription for Windows OS. Just wait.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

By offering extended support? Same as they've done since at least windows 95?

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh right. Uh, Bill Gates personally gave me AIDS.

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[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is just the beginning of a thread of ragebait and misinformation. Windows has been doing this for yearrssssssss. Stop sensationalizing old news.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Normies will pay. They aint got nothing to hide and they are not poor!

Quit being poor, mate

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Normies won't pay for this wtf are you smoking? They're just gonna let their computer not be up to date and not care.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 1 week ago

Maybe you are right... This aint netlfix

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They'll just let Windows update their system to 11

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[–] IrritableOcelot@beehaw.org 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This isnt available to individuals anyhow, only to schools and businesses.

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[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Why will they do that? That will kill Windows.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Nah, I would rather use free Linux.

[–] maxprime@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It’s actually incredible how good Linux is, and it’s entirely free. No ads, no bullshit, just a rock solid OS. It’s staggering how small a proportion of people use it.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

It’s amazing how much better an operating system can be when it’s built by the community.

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[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 11 points 1 week ago

Hannah Montana Linux btw?

For one year.

They're not eligible to continue to get security updates after that (even though they'll still be doing them because businesses will).

[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How much for security updates for XP?

[–] arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I want to meet the windows XP update team in 2024 😁

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Sure they're down the hall, next to the Cobol room.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

I work with automation in manufacturing facilities on the regular. Windows CE and XP are fuckin everywhere.

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[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

OK Looks like my little MS Surface is going to be running Linux.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

It is stupid easy to get Linux to run a surface

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[–] geography082@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tbh sounds fair. I mean keeping systems secure is not cheap task . If we can kep using w10 without all the “free AI “ shit , is not bad . I mean they will get their income from w11 from it on users… From users data. They should add windows clean with the office subscription and a not clean option . I would not say free. We are used to think that free is better, but there are a lot of time invested in development and updates. Linux free distros are not so secure, they even do a statement you have to agree to use them. that’s why companies pay Read hat .

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

...windows 10 was free to a lot of people; it's a pretty solid OS and i'd be happy to pay a fair price for ongoing support...

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[–] Rade0nfighter@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Microsoft needs to sell its software (including OS) and they’ve always done so through manufacturers.

The average user, in their mind, doesn’t care about/want/have a choice for Windows, they just went to a shop to buy a computer, Windows was just on it. So for Microsoft, a public company who’s graphs need to keep going up forever, “increasing revenue from Windows” equates to “making people buy more computers” - this, in my opinion, is why they went down the TPM route (which consumers didn’t care about), and now, the “Copilot compatible” PC (whixh users don’t care about) routes. For the shareholders, you need a new computer, not an update to your existing one.

So this is where it gets interesting - a catch 22 for Microsoft - the average user doesn’t want a new computer (the internet works fine right), but Microsoft need their graphs to go up and they don’t want to work for free… BUT they can’t afford to have “Windows” become synonymous with “viruses” again (they bothered to make Windows defender for free for this reason), so if people don’t pay up, there could be millions of virus ridden computers and everyone will look for a new laptop “but not windows again” because of the viruses…

Mac instead? Maybe, but most laptops are sold for €300, not €1000+…

Current known, “safe consumer choice” brands (OEMs) and big box retailers are and will continue to be influenced/controlled/blackmailed by Microsoft’s license pricing and legal teams to maintain the status quo on the shelves and we’ll see what plays out.

This subscription talk then is big news, not just because of the controversy surround subscriptions generally, but because this could change the shape of supply and demand in the PC market significantly.

As always there won’t be one answer for everyone, but these are some ways it could play out.

  • Microsoft forgets the idea
  • Microsoft offers a free version supported by ads
  • Consumers pay up, even if it takes a generation
  • Consumers move to Apple
  • Major PC manufacturers and retailers spite Microsoft terms, and offer alternative OS’s
  • Smaller/new PC manufacturers rise, and offer alternative OS’s

Will people pay up? Will Chromebooks take over?

Or…

(Removes sunglasses)

…will 2025 be the year of the Linux desktop?

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Every year is the year of the linux desktop. Sure it has just as many problems as the others but it gets better every year and I certainly never felt the same about windows. Mac I don't have that reverse winding in my head that makes people find the apple UI's intuitive.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

alright how do I switch to linux

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

You embrace the Gospel of Truth from Sloppily Generated Arch Jesus.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'd say start out with Linux Mint (debian edition) if you need something simple. Bazziteos if you're a gamer. Jump around as you see fit. Maybe put it on a vm to test it out or make a ventoy usb to put a bunch of isos on and test them all out.

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[–] ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So.. Torrenting security patches will be a thing? That would be a bizarre usage of torrents I have to say

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, this is nothing new.
People pirate extended support all the time, just look at LTSB/LTSC.
If ya dig enough you can probably find people Frankensteining patches from POSReady just so they can keep running Win7 lol

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As Steve Ballmer said.... Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux Linux ....

On a slightly more serious note though: switch to Linux, jd if you still need windows for something, run it in a VM under Linux. Just don't pay for the license because fuck Microsoft

"We let known security holes in our products, causing even the US government to be hacked, because revealing tha they existed in the first place would cost customers and hurt our bottom and only line: money. But don't worry! Our CEO just promised we will never do it again, pretty smile".

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Do we get a refund when it fails prove secure?

[–] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago

At this point am gonna use linux.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

if youre dead set to keep windows, just disconnect it from the internet.

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[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

Time to pirate my Windows updates

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

LMFAO, as if they won't end up piratable.

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