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Basically title. I'm a digital artist in the USA and not rich by any stretch. In fact, somewhat in debt. (Aren't we all.)

I also try really hard to not be a mindless consumer. I use old equipment as long as I can, repair, refurbish, etc...

All this talk of upcoming tariffs has me worried that, rather than being able to get a day-job at newly opened US manufacturing for electronics or something, I'll instead be paying +60% more on like everything.

I know tech is a depreciating asset, but should I try to upgrade now to hold out for the next ~5 years or so?

I was considering hunting down a motherboard/cpu/RAM combo for instance.

Are worries about tariffs overblown? Trying to figure out how to prepare as best I can with my meager resources before everything just...keeps getting worse.

I am getting paid for my digital art, it's not living money though. My spouse has a more stable income that enables me to keep trying.

Thanks in advance. <3

EDIT: Thanks a ton for all the helpful replies! I'm glad I'm not being overly paranoid.

Some of you have asked for system specs so here they are for the curious:

System Specs:

  • OS: OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
  • Mobo: Z590 Aorus Elite AX
  • CPU: i7-10700k @ 5.1 Ghz
  • GPU: Nvidia RTX 3090
  • Mem: 32GB DDR4 (forget the speed...3000?)

I want to be clear: I don't mean to sound too panicked and I'm more than happy to be content with what I have and see my blessings for what they are.

However, as I'm trying to break into being a 3D Blender artist and gamedev professionally, I'm trying to strategize whether standards will significantly increase and leave me behind in the next 5 years or so. (Game industry, not trying to do Hollywood VFX models on my home rig or anything lol)

I don't game so much these days unfortunately. And if I do, like 5% of my library is particularly demanding. 😂

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[–] wirelesswire@lemmy.zip 93 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Regardless of whether or not the tariff increases happen, Black Friday sales are going on right now, and depending on what stores are near you (namely Micro Center), you could find some good deals. Just make sure you check price history on anything you're looking at (if you're able) to ensure it's actually a deal.

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

This is the biggest one. I use Keepa for things, and I've heard other people suggest camelcamelcamel. Always check the pricing history first, don't get sucked into the "Save money!" trap. You're not saving anything if you wouldn't have bought the item in the first place.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'd say that unless you absolutely need to upgrade, don't do it and set it aside to save the money. Money is going to get very tight soon for a lot of essential goods, so having it ready is a good idea for prep. If you never need to dip into it and manage to save some, then it's possible that you can upgrade later.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

In addition to electronics going up, there’s also the looming End of Life for a lot of older computers because of Windows 10 going end of life/support, and windows 11 having some strict security hardware requirements.

This is going to impact businesses. They are going to gobble up the market. The threat of tariffs has already started some panic buying.

We’re going to see computer prices go up in 2025-2026.

[–] sith@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Better switch to Linux sooner than later.

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[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And used compuers price go down, maybe.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh yeah there’s going to be a lot of used computers on the market. If you’re Linux-curious you’ll be able to find some good stuff soon.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I have too many already 😅

[–] MonkeMischief 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is what I was hoping for, exactly! Some kinda nice used hardware trade.

...Except with how things usually work I'm worried that'll just skyrocket the price/demand of used stuff...

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Heh maybe this will push Microsoft to extend support. No one can afford new computers.

[–] habitualTartare@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I bet they start a trail run of windows 12 subscriptions or something for low end/discount models, rebrand windows s mode. Or they'll find another way to squeeze more ads into the desktop.

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Unless you're in the market for old shit

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just bought "old shit" 7th gen and 8th gen intel PC's, complete, for 350, with gtx1080 cards. These are still pretty good. My own pc is a 7th gen intel with a 1060 and it still does everything I want with ease. It never feels slow, except for, of course, the latest games. Which I can now run on the PC's with the 1080. I wanted to bridge a gap and found these are actually very capable for anything I throw at it.

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

The tariffs will have to be paid by someone, and distributors will not take a hit on account of the idiot pumpkin, so it will be shifted to the end user.

Right now is a pretty good time to upgrade. Both Intel and AMD have shown their hands in the CPU market and I can personally attest to the performance of AMD's X3D CPUs. Older models with the AM4 socket will become cheaper, and AM4 motherboards are plentiful.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago

Basically plan to pinch pennies for at least the next four years.

[–] MrEff@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

For as much as everyone is saying to buy now out of economic fear, I wouldn't say they are wrong, but there are several steps that will have to happen first. Tarrifs must be congressional approved first. That means the bill must be presented, debated on, voted on, then signed. I would start to worry a little when we see the bill presented, but even then if he presents some insane ranting that everyone knows will kneecap the economy for the rich, then it won't go through and I wouldn't worry. But if he lets his economic hit men write it and it is airtight, targeted, and specifically- then I would be buying my computer parts before the effective date hits for the reasons people are saying.

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Tarrifs must be congressional approved first.

Well it's a good thing that Trump bootlickers control both houses of congress as well as the courts they might be challenged in.

[–] slumlordthanatos@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Their majority in the House is historically slim: they can afford to lose only a single vote. Something that is this obviously terrible for the economy will have some trouble there.

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[–] bostonbananarama@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Tarrifs must be congressional approved first. That means the bill must be presented, debated on, voted on, then signed.

Unless Congress has already given the president that authority.

In early 2018 President Trump imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum imports under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. This law states that the president can raise tariffs on imports that pose a threat to national security. Section 232 allows the President to implement these tariffs without the approval of Congress, following an investigation by the Department of Commerce. The Commerce Department has noted that threats to national security may include “fostering U.S. dependence on unreliable or unsafe imports” or “fundamentally threatening the ability of U.S. domestic industries to satisfy national security needs.”1

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 weeks ago

You're assuming that the tariffs exist in a vacuum. They do not.

As soon as vendors feel they can blame Trump/tariffs/whatever and not lose income, they will raise prices. Their costs don't need to actually go up - and if called out, they can say they're just responding to the uncertainty or whatever.

[–] Mushroomm@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

Except they'll jack prices anyway then if the tariffs don't stick they will say it was a precautionary cushion against potential tariffs while collecting the profits.

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

There are several reason why a President can impose tariffs without congressional approval. If he wants to do them, all he needs is a pretense, regardless how non-credible, and his own pen. Like the 'immigration emergency' that let him loot the military construction budget to build bits of border wall.

That's the biggest thing. More than anything they want us to keep buying, and they want to maximize profit. The guaranteed thing that will happen is they won't do anything that will jeopardize profits. So I'm really curious how much was just politicking, because more than anything they want the public to be dumb with their pocketbooks open.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you buy used stuff already, you won't run into tarriffed goods for a while after they are implemented. Not sure what thats worth though.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 26 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Yeah, but the new market's process could be warped so much from tariffs that it affects the used market.

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[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Used hardware is crazy cheap. You can get a tower with 16gb memory, 8th or 9th gen processors, ssd storage for like 200$. Workstations are also super cheap if doing 3D modeling.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I say upgrade. The tariffs he's most likely to back off on are food and oil. High tech from Asia is last on the list.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

if you need an upgrade, or will within that five years, yea. now is the time to get a reasonable upgrade vs waiting for 5 years for some of the trump stench to fade.

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

I determined that it would be an issue and upgraded. I've needed to anyway

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

When has he ever followed through on a promise?

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

He said he would get roe vs Wade over turned

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[–] whyrat@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

Given he put tariffs in place his prior term, good chance he actually does it again.

Things that can be done via executive order are highly likely ... Because one of his staff will draft it and he'll sign based on what they tell him it's about.

Some lackey: "this is that tariff thing".

Actual EO: contains whatever

[–] Questy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's worth getting familiar with how tarrifs impact the economy in general. This is a good overview in my opinion.

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[–] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I was in the same position as you, except in regards to buying replacement automobile. My current car will not last another 2 to 4 years, or however long it would take for automobile prices to come back down after a major spike. I am looking back over the COVID period and using that as a predictor of what could happen in the next two years.

AND it is is not pretty. Cars are already way too expensive as it is and adding another 10% to 20% puts buying a car outside of what I am willing to do. Could I make my car last longer? Not without putting a short block in it, which is a $6000 proposition and the car might be worth $7k if it was in mint condition, which it is not. Even if I did replace the engine, it would start having the myriad of "old car problems" over the next few years and just how expensive will parts be?

What are interest rates going to be?

So instead of waiting another 6 months, where I would have enough to pretty much pay cash, I went ahead and bought a car this past Wednesday, but with a lot more financing than I really wanted to do. But with good credit, I got a sub 6% rate, I'll just pay it off faster so I don't take a bath on the interest.

Now I have a car, 2019 Camry Hybrid, with 30,000 miles on it that I feel will easily last the next 4 years without much more than maintenance. I kept my old car, I have a teen driver that needs it, and will keep it till he goes to university next August. I'll keep an eye on the used car market and when I can sell it for a good price, I will. Then use that money to pay off my current car, saving that interest.

Or I might just sell everything, go buy a boat and explore the south Pacific the next 4 years... Who knows.

[–] MonkeMischief 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Hey that's cool you were able to do that! I absolutely feel you.

I had an '06 Honda Element I bought at 119k miles as my first vehicle way back. I taught myself how to do a lot of things with that car, and thought I'd keep it running til it rust out from under me!

Well, replacing a failed sensor lead to me snapping a bolt in the engine block. Every conceivable method to get it out failed. Oil was even leaking through the SteelStik putty I used as a last resort to hold the sensor in. Mechanics wouldn't touch it, machinists wouldn't touch it. My cousin tried to help by drilling an adjacent hole (you should've seen the elaborate mirror setup to even see in there)... But we must've breached the engine because oil gore was EVERYWHERE if we tried to start it.

Basically enough was enough. I was lucky to get one of those haul away sites to give me ~$880 for it. We were using kitty litter in a desperate attempt to clean what came out of it when it got towed. But man...I owned it outright! I got it to ~210,000 miles though...

We just got a 2017 CR-V that was babied for like $22k with 70k miles on it. It's lovely, but man even with excellent credit the interest sucks and I'm wondering how we're gonna kill that debt. :(

Gotta tell you. I hate cars anymore. I've become a bit radicalized at how stupid American city planning is and I found out how lovely bicycling is. Your "explore the South Pacific in a boat" idea sounds mighty tempting. :p

[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Used stuff always exists and good investments would probably beat the return on buying better stuff now

[–] Draghetta@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

used stuff always exists

True, but if you are expecting scarcity it’s better to buy new now.

I don’t know where you’re from, but here the used car market still hasn’t recovered after the covid chip shortage made new cars impossible to buy. Used cars still cost nearly as much as new ones.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

Where would your new purchases come from? If its Mexico or Canada (or probably China), expect prices to rise very soon and get purchases in before 1/20. If the items come from other countries, you probably can wait a bit but if you know you will need something you may want to buy it now, just in case.

[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you were thinking about upgrading anyway, I say do it right now. I personally just bought a new PC and projector/home theater because the ones I had were already old and on the way out. I also plan on buying a new washer/dryer set and brakes for my car, all before 1/20/25, but again, all those things needed replacing anyway.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

Shout out to Rockauto for your brakes. Also avoid Samsung for the washer and dryer for the love of god.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If they actually get implemented? There's a good chance your prices from anything that touches China will increase by most of the listed tariffs. Since it will disproportionately affect China, it's possible some stuff will eventually pull manufacturing somewhere else, but that isn't going to happen overnight. Moving manufacturing is not fast and no one else is equipped to just flip a switch and take over for them.

Your income will likely not increase 60%.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 points 3 weeks ago

I moved forward on a car purchase because modern cars contain lots of fancy electronics that could and probably will be impacted by tariffs.

I’m not saying you should buy a car that you weren’t otherwise planning to buy, but if you need something in the electronics area, moving it up a few months might not be a terrible idea.

[–] kayos@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Hopefully the rest of the world will benefit from the lack of US buying

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

In videocards, nV 3060 likely doubled the output nV 1060 had, and CPUs albeit slower rise in numbers too. New hardware can probably last you a good ten years or more if nothing like an entirely new demanding software happens, like if we'd start to train our AIs locally en masse. Years before the war I bought myself all new components and they are still good at digital art and video rendering, even though I know a bit more modern setup can do it 2-4x quicker. It's just obligatory smoking breaks that I don't really mind.

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