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[–] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 76 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thousand times this. For actual builders that care about the nuance it all probably makes sense but then there is me over here looking at pre-builts wondering why the fuck are two seemingly identical machines have a $500 difference between them.

I'm spending so much time pouring through spec sheets to find "oh the non-z version discombobulator means this cheaper one is gonna be trash in three years when I can afford to upgrade to a 6megadong tri-actor unit".

I'm in this weird state of to cheap to buy a Mac and can't be arsed to build my own.

[–] OtherPetard@feddit.nl 1 points 5 days ago

Yeah, and when you check the detail pages of the games and other software you are upgrading it for it'll turn out the 6 megadong tri-actor unit should work well in general, but there's a certain crashing bug near the end of this game I already bought that the devs haven't patched yet...

And even after all those considerations modded Minecraft will be just about functional.

[–] lorty@lemmy.ml 58 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Just go here and check the charts for the kind of work you want the PC to do. If one looks promising you can check specific reviews on YouTube.

For gaming the absolute best cpu/gpu combo currently is the 9800x3d and a rtx 4090, if you don't have a budget.

Yes the part naming is confusing but it's intentional.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Gamer's Nexus

[–] M137@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago

It's funny that you wrote the wrong GPU name while agreeing that the naming is confusing.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 weeks ago
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

Yes the part naming is confusing but it's intentional

Yes, that's what people are upset about.

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 37 points 3 weeks ago

For very broad definitions of “convention”

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 30 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Just don't rent one from NZXT.

[–] arc@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I saw a video on Gamers Nexus about how shitty a company they are. Hopefully word spreads amongst gamers & builders that they're no good and they should be avoided.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 29 points 3 weeks ago

I recently had to go through this maze. I hate it. And I'm glad that my PCs tend to live ~10y, this means that I'm not doing it again in the foreseeable future.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Meanwhile the data i care about, efficiency, is not readily availlable. I'm not gonna put a 350 watt GPU in the 10 liter case if i can have the same power for 250 watt.
At least TomsHardware now includes efficiency in tests for newer cards.

[–] far_university190@feddit.org 12 points 3 weeks ago

GamersNexus has start add efficiency score in frame / joule. Also have full writeup of video on website.

[–] addie@feddit.uk 5 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Tell me about it. The numbers that I'm interested in - "decibels under full load", "temperature at full load" - might as well not exist. Will I be able to hear myself think when I'm using this component for work? Will this GPU cook all of my hard drives, or can it vent the heat out the back sufficiently?

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[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 23 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

60% or 60 percentage points ?

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
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[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Fortunately there are resources that make a good starting point because I agree; naming schemes are a shit show. I generally start with this and go from there research wise. https://www.logicalincrements.com/

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'd be very careful relying on that site.. just flipped through some of the build and it was very strange.

E.g. they were recommending a $500 or $900 CASE at the highest tiers - not even good cases, you can get something less than half the price with better performance. They recommended a single pcie 4.0 SSD and a SPINNING HARD DRIVE for a motherboard with pcie 5.0 m2 slots. Recommending CPU coolers that are far, far in excess of requirements (a 3x140mm radiator for a 100W chip? Nonsense). Memory recommendations for AMD builds are also sus - DDR5 6000 CL30 is what those cups do best with, they were recommending DDR5600 CL32 kits for no reason.

Just strange.. makes me question the rest of their recommendations.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mind you, recommending a PCIe 4.0 SSD is the one part that makes sense. Right now very few people will gain noticeable benefits from a PCIe 5.0 SSD, AFAIK. The rest though... yikes.

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The price differential doesn't really exist anymore, though. If they were recommending 4TB, then I'd agree (only a few 4TB 5.0 and they are quite pricey), but at 2TB you're looking at like $10 difference between something like the MP700 and the SN850X they recommend (not counting all the black Friday sales going on).

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

...I just the other day ordered all the components to make the first "Extremist" tier build, nearly verbatim.

I guess I made some of the right choices, then.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)
[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 14 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly my preferred manufacturer since I started putting together my own machines.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Make sure to get your 5900x3d with your 7900XTX. Note that one is a CPU and the other is a GPU. For extra fun, their numbers should eventually overlap given their respective incrementation schemes. The 5900x3d is the successor to the 5900xd, which is a major step down in performance even though it has more cores.

I'm gonna give this award to Intel, which has increased the numbers on their CPU line by 1000 every generation since before the 2008 housing crash.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's so annoying when you buy a GPU instead of a CPU.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You still need to understand their naming convention if you plan on comparing hardware.

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[–] VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Just ordered another CPU from them. Downside is that there isn't any modern AMD desktop platform that works with coreboot, which seems to be the only workable way to deactivate the Management Engine/Platform Security Processor after boot.

Was really considering to swap to Intel for that, but got a good deal on a Ryzen 9 that fits in my socket, so...

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[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Power consumption is part of the equation now too. You'll often see newer generation hardware that has comparable performance to a last gen model but is a lot more power efficient.

[–] eyeon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Or you'll see something equally efficient and equally performing at the same power levels..except you'll see newer gens or upgraded skus allowed to pull more power

[–] arc@lemm.ee 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I occasionally "refresh" my PC with new board, CPU etc. I never buy the top of the line stuff and quite honestly there is little reason to. Games are designed to play perfectly well on mid range computers even if you have to turn off some graphics option that enables some slight improvement in the image quality.

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[–] chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I always go by the rule of the larger the number/more letters the better. The exception being M that usually means it's made for mobile devices.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

i'll trade you my geforce 9500 for your 4090.

[–] chickenf622@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Ok maybe also look at the year the card was released too.

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[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The other exception being monitors, which are named by connecting three keyboards to one computer and then rolling a bowling ball across all three.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 10 points 3 weeks ago

No one really knows how that method was established, but it's industry standard now.

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[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I just go by PassMarks rating for CPU and GPU. It may not be the most nuanced rating, but it does give numbers that can be easily compared.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

And it sucks! Sorry, I mean it SUX.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

They periodically run out of integers so they have to reuse old ones.

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