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[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

farmer is so purposely a nebulous term that draws and exploits popular imaginaries. the word has become meaningless for me. I try to interject "farm worker" into conversations as often as I can.

having worked in ag for approaching 2 decades from subminimum wage farm worker, to farm manager to tenant farmer to technical assistance provider to service provider, I call the ones that tend to massively accumulate these sorts of payments by an old term: planter.

they are farmers in the way that George Washington was a farmer. he had a fuck load of land and a bunch of humans in material bondage who did all the work and facilitated the technical understanding. all George did was point and say "tobacco" before going back to his real vocation as a slaughterer of indigenous peoples and land speculator. behind the scenes he played a few paperwork games to receive operational loans and lines of credit drawn against his extensive land and slave holdings, but motherfucker did zero farming.

under capitalism the people we want and imagine to get assistance for conservation practices, climate forward / sustainability initiatives, positive externalities / ecosystem services, and the general risk-management assistance to grow food for humans in equitable and responsible ways often end up only getting scraps compared to the politically connected planter class. this is not what any of us working in the system want and many of us work to level it as best we can because these programs are a lifeline to broke people trying to do the right thing in an unstable world, but it's infuriating when these fucks comes in and hoover up money they don't need to bloat their returns.

[–] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 1 week ago

In Poland meanwhile they just conflate animal agriculture and plant agriculture

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

taxing the untaxable landlord estates is something latin america had to deal with like 200 years ago

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

and we failed at it, and that's why we are like this right now

[–] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

The French had a whole revolution over it.

[–] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

not surprised at all. the whole thing is just such an obvious tax loophole to avoid rich mother fuckers bleeding off any generational wealth. even the ones who do own a farm that does anything, which is clearly not a lot of them, they just have migrant labour run the place. none of them are muddy hands real workers of the land types, anybody who has been around the English countryside and seen these fuckers can tell you that

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Pay taxes to the British empire -> funding for Israel and 5 eyes bullshit

Not paying taxes to the British empire -> people dying from exposure and waiting for healthcare

Idk what I'd do if I were unfortunate enough to be Br*Tish.

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

how about paying taxes to the british empire -> people dying from exposure and waiting for healthcare

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago

I mean they genuinely had a decent and robust healthcare system before the Tories got their filthy claws on it, but I guess simply taxing farm estates wouldn't be enough to fix it at this stage.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago

Don’t pay the taxes and send the money directly to the needy instead

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

made any income from farming

So is it like smaller not for profit farmers or people who aren't farming at all?

[–] DeathToBritain@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

no they just own the land as a tax free asset basically. in the UK farmers don't pay inheritance tax, so just buy a fuck load of land before you die, claim you're a farmer now, and pass that on

[–] D61@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Literally just zero income, as in, no sales were made.

A not for profit farm can generate income through some type of activity but isn't required or expected to make more in income that is needed to cover the bills.

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Ummm, critical support for grifting off of the neoliberal project?

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Under no circumstances you gotta give it to them.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

Nah. Its a way to buy up a bunch of land/property and sit on it with less (or no) property tax and the possibility to take advantage of agri grants/low interest loans/"farmer" assistance programs.

[–] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The propertied classes doing tax fraud is the exact kind of grift the system is set up for, why would you critically support people Mao would've shot.

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

That's why I phrased it as a question. I also doubt that the people you are describing are driving the farming vehicles.

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It only goes to land owners. Most farmers don't own the land they work on and get nothing from this

[–] poopedmypants@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago

stolen valor