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nah it's the tarrifs bro

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 78 points 6 months ago (4 children)

You know, that's interesting. I know a farmer who does small farming (for CSA boxes and local restaurants) and his farm is doing just fine because he grows a variety of things, properly takes care of his field, cycles crops around, composts all the waste, uses natural things like chickens and bees to help care for the land....his farm is producing really well even though this was kind of a weird year for his region.

Almost like if you farm properly to grow food for people to eat instead of farming for short term profit alone, the land doesn't turn into a giant dustbowl bean-think

[–] TheVelvetGentleman@hexbear.net 44 points 6 months ago

Yeah, we figured this out more than ten thousand years ago. But why think about next year when you can squeeze the ever loving shit out of this one?

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 41 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

La via campesina and other food/peasant movements have been saying that agroecology is the only way to make sure everyone has enough food in the future for about 50 years already.

Everyone working in food research or agronomy knows that, but we don't get the big grants from bunge, Cargill and so on.

[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

ok but can his farm grow 10 million tomatoes that taste like plastic?

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, it can grow a few hundred tomatoes that taste fucking delicious instead!

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 19 points 6 months ago

i hereby charge this man with terrorism

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 40 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Have they tried using jira to make the soil work faster? The soil needs to be send on a time management course

[–] MaxOS@hexbear.net 29 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The soil is quiet quitting

[–] Gorb@hexbear.net 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like the soil needs a pizza party

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

Buries pizza

[–] buh@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

they should give the soil a zero interest loan

[–] GiorgioBoymoder@hexbear.net 37 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

:chuckles-i'm-in-danger:

been waiting for this to break into the mainstream for a while. really hate that I'm increasingly viewing the rest of my life as waiting around until I starve to death. Or asphyxiating if things go reeeeeally bad.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 34 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I know this is the doomer sub but soil "productivity" isn't a permanent problem, it's an economic one and a sign of a system under stress.

Soil health can be restored, but it's easier and cheaper for farmers to declare soil "unproductive" (to project capitalistic language onto a natural process) than to take the action to restore it.

Bookchin was cooking so hard when he helped invent the concept of dialectical naturalism because this is a perfect example of it in action, but also a perfect example of how we still have autonomy to repair our food chain.

[–] SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yes! Leaving the land fallow and doing erosion control can do this. Nitrogen can be fixed by planting legumes and phosphorous can come from biosolids (either animal or human )

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

Instructions unclear. I planted 50 acres of feed corn and burned half of it to raise prices.

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

Beanis will save us

[–] Sulvor@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago

I think a lot of people in this thread are underestimating the impact climate change is likely having on this

[–] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Soil doesn't want to work anymore grillman

[–] Coca_Cola_but_Commie@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

Oh you thought you could just slather fertilizer on your field every year and get infinite gains? Fucking loser modern farmers.

Three field system stay winning (I don't know literally anything about agriculture).

[–] William_Nilliam@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Dust bowl 2.0, birdflu, genocide, another school shooting, UFOs, and climate worsening. Oh yeah we're in the cool zone

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Mandate of heaven: lost

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 14 points 6 months ago

The sort of large scale, highly mechanized agriculture that led to today's cheap-by-historical-standards food prices was never going to last, and the future is probably going to see a large portion of the workforce in high-income countries return to agriculture. Get your land before Bill Gates does, I guess.

[–] Hestia@hexbear.net 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Rotate. Your. Fucking. Crops.

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago

By how much in radians?

[–] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Mentally rotating my crops in my mind

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago
[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago

We did it, reddit.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Have I read this something like this in Capital Volume 3

Something something, @SteamedHamberder@hexbear.net, go take it away

Toward the beginning of chapter 40, I think Marx is getting to the scenario that caused the dust bowl. Successive investments of capital on a soil of declining productivity eventually will reach a point where the sale price of the crop won’t cover the rent on the crop land

[–] RION@hexbear.net 8 points 6 months ago

Alfalfamaxxers stay winning

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago

the soil's getting whiter. we love our pale soil don't we folks

[–] dRLY@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago

Waiting for the fuck-head right-wing war hawks to claim that it was somehow the "CeeCeePee" that fucked up our soil (unironically). And not the massively profit driven shortsighted corps that push farmers to only grow lots of the same crops without proper rotations. We learned nothing from the Dust Bowl in the US or any number of similar fuck-ups that have happened across the globe over the last hundred years alone.