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[–] Borger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 120 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yep. Also calling it the“Israel-Hamas war” is propaganda. Makes it sound like the only people dying in Palestine are Hamas soldiers, which is obviously nowhere near the truth.

Centrists are literally just anti-opinion and spineless.

Free Palestine.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Centrist just support the status quo. So if the status quo is genocide then they just support genocide.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 89 points 1 week ago (34 children)

If you don't support indigenous resistance to occupation, you're on the side of the occupation. There is no center.

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

fnuny meme but if you read the article i don’t think calling them “centrist” is defensible:

Mr. Aboutboul is a founding member of Students for Standing Together, a new student group at U.C.L.A. that aims to unite Israelis and Palestinians to call for a cease-fire in Gaza.

so these “centrists” are doing statistically better than your representatives. the comments here talking about “only committing a half genocide” are just doing bad faith echo chamber discourse, which i don’t find the be productive.

At Columbia University, Aharon Dardik, an Israeli American student, formed a group called CU Jews for Ceasefire after finding that his viewpoint wasn’t fully reflected in the main pro-Palestinian student movement. He is a pacifist who spent his teen years with his family in the West Bank but who ultimately refused to serve in the army in Israel. He believes in working with Israelis and Palestinians toward collective liberation and a world not divided by ethnonationalist allegiances.

Dr. Waxman also became a target of right-wing pro-Israel groups, including after he wrote on social media that he supported the International Criminal Court’s request for an arrest warrant for Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, a position he said he took as a supporter of international law.

no hate to OP but let’s laugh loudly at the ones who deserve to be scoffed and mocked, not the people who are actively supporting Palestinian emancipation. i’m sure there’s stuff to be criticized in these folks but if there is, find it and call it the fuck out specifically instead of hand-waving “centrist”—especially when doing so just deplatforms the underrepresented Jewish Anti-Zionist population.

(honestly let’s laugh at whoever wrote and approved that headline, it does no service here.)

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[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When one side is committing genocide and the other side wants no genocide, you don't pick the middle and support half-genocide.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world 30 points 1 week ago (22 children)

More accurate would be "Committing genocide" and "Wants to commit genocide but doesn't have the guns", with the majority of the actual population on both sides (rather than the politicians and emboldened extremists) just wanting to not be genocided. Personally I'm picking the "chuck the politicians in a hole and let the people live" option. No idea what the ideal solution looks like but I feel like getting the fascists and religious extremists on both sides out of the equation would be a good starting point

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 week ago (30 children)

“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented” is a quote by Elie Wiesel from his 1986 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech.

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[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

At my university the police literally threaten anyone who tries to be pro Palestine… every Jewish group is pro zionist

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[–] mhague@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How is "Everyone needs to end the violence and seek an ideal solution for everyone involved." a nuanced position? That's what I expect every person to believe when they first start thinking of Israel and Palestine.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 29 points 1 week ago (7 children)

How is "Everyone needs to end the violence and seek an ideal solution for everyone involved." a nuanced position?

It's not nuanced, just naive. You'll never get Israel as it currently exists to willingly acknowledge that Palestinians deserve human rights, which is exactly why the non-violent option already failed multiple times.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 29 points 1 week ago

What I've seen plenty of those alleged "centrists" doing is the opposite - removing the nuance. For example, conflating the four sides (Israelis, Palestinians, State of Israel, Hamas) into two.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

The most middle of the road opinion on Israel-Palestine issue is the two state solution. It worked on Northern Ireland with the Good Friday Agreement and it should work between Israel and Palestine. Many scholars from both sides also want to use NI peace deal as the blueprint. Compromise is the key just like with Protestants and Catholics did in Northern Ireland.

The problem is, of course radicals from both Palestine and Israel do not want this because-- well-- they're radical.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (49 children)

This is false. Only Israel does not want a two state solution. Even Hamas accepted it in 2017.

This is what people mean with enlightened centrism. There are no two sides preventing peace. There is only Israel preventing peace.

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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It is easy to have a nuanced position and still come to the obvious conclusion on what's happening now. The past is completely enough that a basic history lesson would suffice.

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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I'm a centrist in that I think the Israelis and Palestinians should live happy, productive lives and not be shot.

It just so happens that only one side seems to disagree with that.

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[–] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago

Centrist opinions be like Six million Western European Jews were killed in the holocaust so millions of Eastern European and American Jews, who were supported by the Nazi’s, deserve to kill any middle easterner that stands against the formation of their own imperialist state

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The problem is, it very much feels like the "middle of the road" opinion on this issue is "both nations have the right to exist."

Both sides are going to tell you that you are supporting genocide. And now you're a centrist for thinking everyone is shit in the terrorist vs right wing government fight....but that's enough about the IRA.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

People have a right to exist and to self-determination, not nations. "Israel has a right to exist" is just a strawman argument.

Especially since the Israeli people already have self-determination and overwhelmingly support their government committing countless crimes against humanity to ensure that Palestinians never will.

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