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The White House is drafting an executive order to dismantle the Department of Education, aligning with Trump's long-standing pledge.

However, Congress must approve the agency's abolition, making its passage unlikely despite GOP control. Critics, including the National Education Association, warn this move would harm students, increase costs, and weaken protections.

GOP lawmakers have repeatedly attempted to eliminate the department since its 1979 founding.

Trump also recently signed an order expanding school choice, reinforcing the Republican agenda of decentralizing education policy.

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[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 298 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (18 children)

Congress is required for all sorts of shit that Elon is doing but that isn’t stopping Elon.

Laws are not some sort of natural force. They are implemented by people and all of those people are either fascists or cowards.

Trumps immunity plus his pardon power make him king. All of his minions can do all the illegal things they want. Trump can then pardon them and he isn’t liable for their crimes if he is doing something roughly in line with his duties are President. John Roberts fucked us all.

The only way this is going to be solved is by people power. Organize. Fight these fascists.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 69 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is exactly why musk is not appointed, he can't be impeached and as you said DOJ and pardons will protect him.

[–] Vash63@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

You forgot money.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They already blocked organization by controlling the mass media and major social platforms are in cahoots.

Facebook, Twitter/X and tiktok all pushed trump and hid Kamala during the campaign. Not to mention the influencers that got paid to push Trump.

Any type of hashtag or trend that tries to fight back is just going to get pushed down in "the algorithm" or straight up blocked (search kamala on twitter)

[–] wanderingmagus@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

That's why word-of-mouth about the Fediverse is so powerful - and why it'll become increasingly important to return to the old methods of organizing - in person, posters put up at night, meetings in basements and in homes, discussions in back alleys and storage closets. Zines and fliers.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 205 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Education is Fascisms biggest enemy. That's why.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 148 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It might be worth mentioning that Andrew Johnson signed the Department of Education into law in 1867. It was elevated to a cabinet position in 1979 by Carter from it's previous position within the Department of Health, Education, And Welfare.

The idea that the government has a constitutional interest in fostering the education of the public is NOT a new thing contrary to what conservatives would have you believe. An educated populace is an essential function of a representative democracy.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 69 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

But I can’t figure out why. A society with severe brain drain would lead to reduced quality of life for them as well. Are they just banking on AI to do everything while everyone dies in rebellions and counter-rebellions? Shit, that’s probably it.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 79 points 2 weeks ago

Fascists aren’t particularly smart. They tend to lose in the long run because they just cannot comprehend anything complex. All their philosophy is wishful thinking and simple heuristics that follow their preconceived notions about the superiority of their in group.

They want feudalism because they can’t stand anyone having power other than the people who deserve to rule. They can’t stand that non elites can vote, demand decent wages, etc. so they want feudalism without understanding the downstream effects of that.

They are just fucking dumb. And that is why, if we get enough time, we will win against them. Climate change might get us. But we will fucking destroy these no knowing fuck wits.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

They measure their quality of life by their ability to dominate others. On top of the desire for feudalism for many of them is a desire for theocracy. For them politics peaked at the divine right of kings.

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[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

But an educated populace is anathema to the ruling class.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 106 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In case anyone is still wondering if Republicans are enemies of the United States of America, you need not wonder anymore.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 88 points 2 weeks ago

The White House is drafting ~~an executive order~~ a royal decree to dismantle the Department of Education, aligning with Trump's ~~long-standing pledge~~ long con.

~~Critics~~ An overwhelming consensus of experts, including the National Education Association, warn this move would harm students, increase costs, and weaken protections.

Trump also recently signed ~~an order expanding school choice~~ a decree lowering educational standards, reinforcing the Republican agenda of ~~decentralizing education policy~~ dismantling public secular education in favor of religious and political indoctrination.

There, fixed the "we must obscure reality by using their terms so they won't come after us next" cowardice.

[–] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 76 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

The executive order’s a symbolic gesture—Congress won’t scrap the Department outright. But the subtext? Steady erosion. Shift student debt oversight to Treasury, pare back civil rights investigations, let federal education funds atrophy. States then fill the vacuum: red ones push vouchers, defund “woke” curricula, blue ones scramble to plug gaps.

The playbook’s transparent. Undermine trust in public institutions, then offer “choice” as salvation. Rural GOP districts take the bait, then recoil when their Title I lunches and special ed services evaporate. Even conservatives quietly rely on federal data systems and grant streams—hypocrisy’s baked in.

Latest school choice expansions? Distraction tactics. Real damage accrues in the margins: disabled students lose protections, civil rights complaints backlog, teacher retention plummets. ED’s survived 40 years of GOP vitriol because dismantling it’s all optics, no payoff.

Predictable cycle. Provoke outrage, let chaos incentivize privatization. Rinse, repeat.

[–] Kayday@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Congress doesn't need to be okay with it if Elon's cronies waltz in and kick everyone out.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

The executive order’s a symbolic gesture—Congress won’t scrap the Department outright.

You're wrong. They will not wait for Congress to do anything.

Who the fuck is going to stop them, you?

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[–] echo@lemmings.world 73 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

DoE gets in the way of funneling the money to the churches.

[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

DoE gets in the way of funneling the money to the ~~churches~~ corporations.

Let's not kid ourselves, the churches will get some money for taking the poor kids, but the goal is to privatize education so that corporations can profit from schooling even more than they already have.

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[–] Shuddle@lemmy.zip 63 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Almost forgot Congress was a thing since there's been little to no mention about them in this shit circus

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

That's by design, they stay silent and don't take the polling hit.

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[–] Mighty@lemmy.world 59 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I'm so sorry, Americans. I'm not sure who is even able to liberate your country. You and the Russians liberated the camps in Europe at the end of WW2, but who's there for you? I think you might need to liberate yourself. Again. I'm sorry. Good luck

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 55 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Let em keep chopping off the federal government ..... at one point, individual states will start wondering why they are all interconnected in a union that doesn't do anything or provide any benefits any more and start acting like independent nations.

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 51 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Exactly like every foreign adversary wants

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I was going to ask if this means I no longer have to pay back my student loans, but of course I know better than that.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Shit is getting done so scattershot, I think there's a really, really good chance that a lot of records are going to fall through the cracks or "fall through the cracks" as different databases are deleted, offices closed, code based altered, and agencies demolished.

[–] VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Would be funny af if some madlad goes maliciouscompliance and deletes all records on student loans or something like that.

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[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If the Federal Government doesn’t want to be responsible for anything, why even be a country? Each state be their own I guess /s

Also are they going to reduce taxes for all the cuts? Doubt it, but states would have to make increases to cover all the new work.

we live in the dumbest timeline.

[–] mostNONheinous@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Literally what the fuck are we paying taxes for, they are dismantling every bit of representation of the people possible. Well only have ruch fucks and bombs left to pay for.

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[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

You laugh, this is literally Curtis Yarvin's (one of Elon's mentors) vision of America. A patchwork of corporatocratic fiefdoms, technically beholden to a federal government that basically only exists to be the arm of violence. The whole "no authority higher than a county sheriff" thing? Came out of his books. The idea of being "educated" will only be for the vaunted manager-class. All of us not lucky enough to be in the millionaire's club, or one of their trusted lackeys, will be lucky to know how to read beyond a 3rd-grade level, or do math beyond simple arithmetic.

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[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Good luck to your kids and grandkids, education is fucked. Back to the feudal times where only royalty and the rich were educated. If this passes I am not paying student loans anymore. The department that issued them will be gone so why pay.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

That loan will just get transferred to DOGE dont worry.

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[–] Timbits@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I couldn’t even imagine what even dumber Americans would look like.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I refer you to the documentary films "Idiocracy" and "Don't Look Up"

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Unfortunately, reality has surpassed the referenced films.

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[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Keep people dumb. Write their own history to "educate" the dumb. Sounds about right.

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[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

Knowledge is power, and the GOP can't have educated people around...gotta keep that shit in check and keep our kids stupid so they can't ask questions, you know?

[–] Wooki@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

US Healthcare system is the worst in the world by any measure from cost to outcomes

Republicans: lets do the same to the education system.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 23 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

How you all haven't had a revolution I'll never understand.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

When the capitol of the country is possibly thousands of miles away, and missing work means losing health insurance and becoming homeless, it terrifies a lot of people that can't even miss one day of work for being sick, let alone the days' journey and expense it would take. Much longer than the maximum 8 hour drive it would take to get from anywhere in Germany to Berlin, by comparison.

Not an excuse either, the US is just huge, and set up for citizens to fail if they actually stand up.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

If NBC thinks he needs an act of Congress then they haven't been paying paying attention to USAID.

Who the fuck am I kidding, they know damn well what's going on and refuse to print it.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

So, the DOE handles student loans. No DOE, what happens to the loans?

[–] indecisiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm sure the "servicers" will continue to collect. Republicans went out of their way to file a suit on behalf of one of them that triggered relief getting blocked.

Don't worry, they will make sure to close all of the loopholes that might actually benefit the working class.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 17 points 2 weeks ago

This CollegeHumor video was 8 years ahead of its time: If the Other Party Wins

[–] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 weeks ago

Good news everyone! No more Student Loans!

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