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Just wanted to get this thought out there. Space on the internet is infinite, and changing to a new domain is easy and cheap. Let the people who have poisoned their brains with anti tankie rhetoric pay the DNS landlord hundreds of dollars for the privilege of setting up a redirect to NATO's website or whatever, our money and effort is better spent on literally anything else.

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[–] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

The reason to pay is not to keep the domain for sentimental reasons or whatever but because it's an actual security risk to allow someone to jack your domain.

A bad actor who has the domain can very easily setup an identical looking site that can capture login attempts along with ips allowing them to put a username to an ip and and with additional resources could put an ip and therefore a user name to a real name.

They could also use the fake site to do all sorts of phishing scams like fake mutual aid requests, linking to external sites that are also honeypots to get more personal info than most would be willing to divulge on hexbear itself and could also ~~send DMs~~ impersonate any user on the site including to scam users on other servers like lemmygrad who might not know what is going on.

It's easily worth a few hundred to prevent some comrades getting scammed and doxxed.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

Also if we lose the domain we could lose some users who will never come back and think that we no longer exist. Some of those users could be relying on us for mutual aid and stuff like that.

[–] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

:this:

not 100% sure that's true about sending DMs to users on other instances (activitypub uses public key signing to ensure data integrity so I'm assuming they couldn't do so without those keys from our DB), but certainly they could put up a honeypot and try to ID users.

[–] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Didn't know that about DMs but the point remains that impersonation is possible and they could trick people into DMing on other platforms by including false matrix IDs in profiles or posts.

[–] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

yep, it's still a big fucking problem.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

fair point, I hadn't considered this

[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

Plus we have to update all the meme slop to have a big ❌ over the old domain. Danger lurks around ever corner.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

No the most cringe thing would be to change the domain to herturn.net and turn it into a Hillary fansite

[–] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

What do you mean turn it into? Isn't that what this is??

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago

Heh, this will show those loony tankerinos that neoliberalism is king [pays $6,900 for hexbear dot net to redirect it to r/neoliberal]

(The Loony Tankerinos): hehehe infinite domains go brrrrrrr

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago

The dialectical inversion to this is that the most demonic thing a r/destiny user could do is spend like $10,000 on buying it and specifically flaunt that they're doing that instead of doing anything good with the money.

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If anyone actually drops money on it I suggest we all collectively make fun of them for wasting money

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, yeah

Imagine thinking you're sticking it to us by paying some domain registrar for a name we changed because Chapo.Chat didn't actually reflect our beliefs

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I never understood this. The people on that podcast never did anything problematic and I’d even go as far to say that we lost hundreds of thousands of people regularly exposed to /r/chapotraphouse when it switched to this site + all the drama with admins and mods leaving. I just watched from the side like I’ve done my entire life lol

It was certainly by no means revolutionary but I’m willing to say it had potential as a leftist hub and to introduce people to non-state department mandated talking points

Damn writing this all out, I’m just seeing how a lot of these failures can be chalked up to infighting in one way or another. Hate to say it but this is why the right is so strong

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, the main thing that happened was that we wanted to make a safe place for trans users

The early days were pretty wackadoo when it came down to dealing with transphobia, lots of trans users were getting harassed and a lot of it was going on with long-time users from r/cth

Had to put our foot down, distance ourselves from those old days

Not to mention, the right only has a strong presence because libs cower before them

Every time they start getting power, they start eating their own

Just have to look at all the various Nazi and KKK splinter groups and how they all try to kill each other over the most minute gibberish

[–] somename@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

Idk, the whole hexbear versus chacha thing never really felt like a "We need this to protect trans users" thing. Or at the very least, it never came across that way to me.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

Absolutely. There's no need to spend hundreds of bucks keeping a specific name. Spend the money on cat treats instead

[–] MrPiss@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

What if we're all just as annoying as possible to the company auctioning it until they give it to us?

Also, we all know someone's handler is just going to hand over a credit card so that they can buy the site. The question is, who actually gets it? It'll probably be some annoying radlib performative bs about tankies that was well worth the $69,420 that was spent on it.

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What is the action at so far?

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Here's the link. JS and MN are in a bidding war over it, I certainly hope neither of them are us because I'm pretty sure 99% of the people here would rather that money go to mutual aid.

[–] Pandantic@hexbear.net 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Carl@hexbear.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

no idea, that's just the alias that the auction website is showing for the two top bidders.

[–] DerEwigeAtheist@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

505 dollars, mainly one guy driving the price up rn.

[–] ghosts@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

Idk losing the site in the first place was pretty cringe

[–] grendahlgrendahlgen@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I asked this in the big thread, but how will I find the the new site if we lose this domain? How do we communicate if we can't get into this domain? I don't really know how the Internet works lol

[–] StalinistApologist@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

catch me in the nato.com forums i guess

[–] Grebgreb@hexbear.net 2 points 3 weeks ago

i had a thought for a while that there should've been some effort to create a hexbear matrix hub of sorts to help preserve the community in case of something unexpected happening to the site. that should probably still happen but i wouldn't be surprised if we already lost some users.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

Well it seems that chapo.chat won't be lost for a few months yet, so if we end up moving the admins will communicate that in a stickied thread. When we moved to hexbear.net both domains were used for a while to ease the transition before one got turned into a redirect.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

I guess one upside of federation is we can go to the other instances and find crossover users there

Worst case scenario if the site suddenly goes down 10 minutes from now with no warning, I’d check lemmygrad.ml. Lots of users here have accounts there so if Hexbear suddenly disappeared I’m sure info on where to go will be there