Make Canada Great Again... by making it the 28th member of the EU, LET'S GOOOO!!?
this post was submitted on 02 Mar 2025
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Choice quote from Tusk at this meeting:
This is a paradox, listen to how it sounds: 500 million Europeans ask 300 million Americans to protect them from 140 million Russians. If you know how to count, rely on yourself,
Out of curiosity, where'd you get this version of the photo OP? Meloni did do an eye-roll (it appears at something the photographer said, not Trudeau), but most of the press releases went with a more dignified still.
The Avengers. (someone on the radio described it this way) π
Meloni looking like she doesnt even want to be there and is so annoyed
Trudeau, Rutte and the one brown guy (who is that?) apparently missed the memo on looking miserable.
Edit: It's Antonio Costa of Portugal.
Canada: You know, I'm somewhat of a European myself.
Then Turkey is the "First time?" hanging meme.
What a shitty pic for 80% of them. Is that a full blown eye roll?
(I am for this group getting together like this, but what a badly timed photo for a bunch of people who professionally try to look good in photos)
I assume there are multiple cameras from multiple press agencies, so they're looking all over.
The one you're talking about probably hadn't blinked in a minute.
Nah, she just let one rip, sending up a prayer that JT doesn't catch a whiff before the photo is snapped.
I'm not JT's biggest fan, but he does consistently carry himself well. He could put on a happy smile in front of Trump ripping a loud, stinky one without even so much as a flinch.
Do I agree with everything he did policy wise? Nah
Do I think he's kinda gotten a shit break over things kinda out of his control? Yeah, I do, I think he did as good as most leaders did through covid, and a fair sight better than a certain Cheeto.
Sure he puts his foot in it from time to time, but the guy has class. He may be a filthy Liberal, and on the more anti-worker side of things, but I feel like he did quite a decent job representing Canada.
Unpopular take maybeβ¦
Canada does not need to join the EU to increase trade and partnerships. More trade agreements and joint projects. The EU is a complicated political structure and joining it is unnecessarily complicateted.
And yet another Reddit staple arrives: The popular unpopular take.
Absolutely correct. There are plenty of mutually beneficial arrangements short of full membership. And an EU membership application process typically takes decades. We need solutions now.
Whatever you guys wanna do. I support canada being eu but if yall dont want it trade agreements is also good.
Trade agreements now, possible membership eventually, since that's how long the process usually takes anyway.
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I don't think anyone in this picture seriously expects Canada to officially join the EU. The US would never allow such an interference with its manifest destiny. But we can make a close partnership even closer.
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They don't need to join it as a full member to have trade and economic benefits. Simple (!) alignment with standards and regulations will allow free access to the market and free movement of people.
Is there any reason to not join the EU if we want to align standards, regulations, and allow free movement?
The only thing I can think of that would be a hard change would be our dollar. We could possibly negotiate to keep that though - I don't know if the EU is still making exceptions like that or if that was just at the beginning.
Mainly just that we'll need to align stuff for like a decade before we can do it. Using the Euro and joining the Schengen is non-optional, although it's one of those EU things where there's a lot of chaos in actually enforcing that. Speaking of the Schengen, that would mean our own trade deals with the US are definitely dead and the border has to get much more serious, since it's now the border between the US and every country in Europe.
It would also make Kosovo and Bosnia butthurt if we got in first, so there's a chance they'd just deny it on geographical grounds - we could qualify as substantially European, but only could.
All in all, I think it's a great aspirational goal, at least, because "substantially align regulations on control of tomato leaf miner pests" isn't quite so catchy.
The EU and US standards are very different and products for one can't necessarily be shipped to the other and vice versa. Examples for food include massive differences for colourings, preservatives and the like. Europe will not accept chicken washed in chlorinated water or bright froot loops. Health traffic lights are also going to be different.
While it's possible to have 2 production lines, 1 for each economic zone, that's expensive for producers and shippers.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Canada's food standards with regards to dyes and preservatives are already far closer to the EU standard than the American.
I can only imagine what radioactive things get put in American food if that's true. Our stuff is still plenty fluorescent.
Would Canada be interested in joining the EU? Might make sense considering what a bad neighbor the US has become.
Linking the recent CBC article.
Actually, I think there was multiples on the subject, but here's one. TL;DR sure, but it's not a switch you flip and there's a lot of useful things we have to get closer to the EU on first anyway.
At first glance it sounds good but joining the EU officially is unnecessarily complex. It would make more sense to join Europe similar to Iceland and Norway.
Which isn't actually mutually exclusive - kind of the opposite actually.
Sorry I think it's too early for me to understand what you mean haha.
Aren't Iceland and Norway in the Schengen area, but not actually in the EU?
And a bunch of other related agreements (Norway at centre left):
Arguably, as it has worked out, being in the EU is like the capstone of aligning with Europe in those other ways. To get closer to Europe you get closer to joining the EU, even if you never actually do.
That infographic is fantastic
And Canada does have a land border with an EU country - Denmark. Canada and Denmark had a long standing border dispute over Hans island featuring multiple armed raids. It was resolved in a mature and sensible fashion to just divide the island. Good for all involved.
multiple armed raids
I mean...technically....sure. But the two armed groups were never actually there at the same time. They simply came at different times to swap Whiskey and Schnaps.
And to lower the other's flag
Taking whiskey and leaving fucking schnapps is the real crime here.
Welp, now the Danes are going to vote no.
Hahaha. All in good fun. We're basically cousins at this point.
The only 'dispute' I know about on Hans island was the Whisky Dispute, which was resolved peacefully after years of soldiers 'claiming' the land by stealing each other's flags and leaving booze for each other. More like a very lazy game of capture the flag if you ask me.
Are these the armed raids you refer to?
Yes. The raids were mostly to not to forfeit their territorial claims, booze left as a sorry for the trouble gift.
And another (and older) maratime border with France.
It was resolved in a mature and sensible fashion to just divide the island.
Along the obvious seam that was there the whole time.
I'd hate to be the custom's agent posted there.
Canada also has land in France. The Vimy Ridge memorial is officially Canadian territory, granted by France.
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