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'Deep sense of outrage and betrayal': House Democrats react to Schumer announcement that he will vote for Republican spending plan (www.npr.org)
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[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

So it's a bit of a catch22 situation... Shutdown the government by blocking the new CR or have the government demolished by accepting the new CR ...

But the government will get derailed regardless.

The one thing that seems to be overlooked is that the Democrats are supposed to give opposition/resistance to the Republican plans, which does mean blocking a bad new proposal ...

If it were up to me I'd use whatever media I can find and prior to the vote just loudly announce being against the new regulations, so just pre-empt republican fingerpoiting and take the sting out of their shutdown accusations...

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 1 hour ago

Not to me. Its like a trolley problem where if you do nothing someone dies but if you flip it has the exact same outcome. Seems obvious that its better to not have a hand in it.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I would rather shut down the government than allow the changes to who controls the money.

If Democrats vote yes on this then the spending power of congress gets handed to Trump/Musk.

If this passes then congress no longer has control of tax dollars

[–] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 32 points 7 hours ago

To go stand on his soap box and talk a big game a couple days ago, and then pull this bullshit is just a slap in the face. This screams collusion or bribery or some other shady shit. It used to be a conspiracy theory to say this, but, there ain't two parties. Its one party and a few outliers that aren't invited to the party.

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 17 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

As a non US person, it is deeply sad to read this two party crap even at this advanced stage of the collapse of your country. When are you lot going to learn that you already don’t have an impartial head of state, you don’t have impartial supreme court. Everything is political in USA. So you really fcking want to make sure you have more than 3 parties. You’re still not thinking outside the box, and you’re keeping this us them dynamic alive.

With the weaponisation of the DOJ, the dems have Kompromat on them too. They are all scared. They are all walking the same line. That’s why Bernie is so powerful, and people are doubting if AOC is up for the job.

The GOP is infected by Trump and anything from the McCain era is long gone. The DEMs have failed to lead since Obama. There are no two parties left. There is a carcass of an old political establishment leftover, and the only guy saying anything that makes sense is a geriatric that can drop dead any day.

Two parties will always get you to this kind of impasse. Truly saddening to see the lack of creative political thinking on a progressive platform like Lemmy.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

What exactly do you expect us to do besides a violent revolt?

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

...what do you mean 'besides'?

[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Violent revolt and sign an improved constitution

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's a fine idea and despite being a longshot it's probably the only way anything good ever happens in America again, but a word to the wise:

You go into a revolution with the people you've got, not just the people who have their head on straight. The ideological mix of America currently isn't the group I'd pick for outlining the underpinnings of a new republic.

Not saying a revolt is a bad idea even, just making the point that we live in an imperfect world, and politics make for strange bedfellows. The sheer geophysical fact of North America means the rift between urban and rural can never be truly reconciled.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

But it can be minimized, ideally a new US would go back to see if we can rework the Articles of Confederation with some lessons learned from the EU. The states have largely settled into their borders and I suspect that the stupid competition that caused the Articles to fail could be corrected. Also we really need to prevent centralization of powers into the Federal government and the executive from ever happening again.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Back in colonial times it was very feasible to keep the executive in check. Nowadays it is a technological fact that the executive needs nuclear authority just to be in a position to make a timely counterstrike effort.

At least, this was the dogma last I checked, maybe there is enough interdiction capability now to change this dynamic. I would be delighted to learn otherwise, but given the necessity of secrecy in these things any evidence must be compelling.

That said - Until the logic of MAD ceases to prevail, there is an insane sort of game theory rationale for an executive with extensive powers, regrettably. It's hard to see how to get past the eventual nuclear war scenario without a one world government. With nukes we are walking a tightrope, but we cannot reasonably expect to do so indefinitely.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You could still have an elected commander in chief, just don't invest so much civil power into them. They don't need to have control over every fucking governmental department.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'm only pointing out that nukes are fundamentally a threat to the rule of law. We can't invent a world without them just yet, but we should at least think of them as a systemic threat to the world we're trying to create

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 minutes ago

No they aren't, nukes as a weapon are better as a defensive or retaliatory response. Whichever country breaks the nuclear taboo will be evaporated by the survivors, hell there's a good chance that if any countries outright survive they may send expeditions into the offending country to hunt down theoretically surviving leadership.

Stop parroting shitty cold war propaganda. It's a piss poor excuse and there's no reason that the response must come from the executive head of state. It could be some dude named Jep who is known to have a cool head and will be shot regardless of if it's the correct response or not to ensure they don't fuck up.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

In their infinite wisdom our forefathers gave us a winner take all system, and when you only have one winner you get a two party system or minority rule. It’s just maths.

[–] Ruthalas@infosec.pub 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ranked choice voting would certainly help.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

No doubt, but it would require a huge effort across all fifty states and has already failed a bunch of times.

I’ll be dead before we have ranked choice voting. And I’m not even that old.

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[–] tree_frog@lemm.ee 108 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (8 children)

And this is how you get folks to stay home on the couch in 2026.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 46 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

And then yell at them in comment sections when the democrats lose to fascists again.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 22 points 10 hours ago (23 children)

If you don't vote for them... They will lose...

They're not a hockey team where it doesn't matter if you participate as a fan or not. If they don't get votes then they don't get political power.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

What an irrational response that would be. I see this as even more reason to not be ambivalent.

[–] tree_frog@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Voters aren't rational, and what Schumer is doing doesn't instill faith or loyalty in the party. Two things Democrats need to motivate their base.

https://blog.cambridgecoaching.com/an-introduction-to-choice-theory-are-humans-really-rational-actors

[–] itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 hours ago

I think you're missing their point. They aren't saying they are going to do that, or that it's a good idea, they're saying enough people are going to react that way for it to be a problem. It's not good enough to be correct, you need to be convincing. Just because I can hold my nose and vote for the lesser evil doesn't mean I'm not concerned that not everyone will.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

I agree, but we should all be very well aware that most voters are going to act irrationally and conduct ourselves accordingly. Any logical observer could see that the Dems candidate wasn't as bad as the Repubs in 2016 and 2024, and look at all the good that did us.

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 23 points 8 hours ago

This Nazi run government has to be shutdown period.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 59 points 10 hours ago

Good news (archived), centrists up for election in 2026 and a bunch of other Senators are refusing to go along with Schumer here because they have gotten so many phone calls and emails from their voters about this one

Keep calling them, this one will come down to the wire

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

if the cr passes then the administration will have a substantial slush fund from the departments and agencies that have been scuttled with which to do whatever they want with. a shutdown is really bad but the other options are worse. this is harm reduction

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Silly goose, only progressives have to vote for harm reduction. Liberals can just go along with it.

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