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[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The problem is that there is a not-insignificant number of people that want the US to annex Canada.

In the US, about 15% of Trump voters would support annexation of Canada, even if Canada didn't want it. That's about 1 in 7.

https://vancouversun.com/news/trump-51st-state-most-americans-have-no-interest-in-canada-annex

The disturbing thing is that about 18% of Canadian Conservatives would support annexation. That's almost 1 in 5. Most of us know five Conservatives, so chances are you know someone who is essentially a traitor. I think Conservative supporters need to be aware that this is the company they keep.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/large-majority-of-canadians-reject-trumps-annexation-overtures-poll-suggests/

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 5 points 21 minutes ago (1 children)

That 18% number is based on polls that may be kinda susp, but even if it were true a lot of what I've heard from the dumbass gallery has been:

"Cool, then our dollar would finally be equal to USD" and "It'll be easier to get flights to the US and Disneyland" or "Then we can vote in a proper government they're and fix things"

I doubt the appetite for such goes much past a lack of critical thinking into what the realities would be

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 minutes ago

This may be so but as we've seen in other contexts - e.g., Brexit and the last US election - these are exactly the people that can do incredible damage that can last generations.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

"Great state of Canada"...

To be fair, I heard a news anchorwoman in British Columbia refer to the US as "the lower provinces" lol. I had never heard this before, but since it was used casually on a newscast I assumed it was a fairly common expression. Maybe Bonespurs heard about that and got a burr in his diaper.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 27 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I just was involved in a yelling match this morning about Polievre.

Just some background: I'm a farmer in N. Alberta. We farmers love coffee and visiting. There's half a dozen of us around the shop talking about this, and I safely would say everyone was against Trump, even weirdos that defended him during the election. Even then, though, I'd say the Trumpists here were about 1:10. Now it's zero.

But one person tried to stand up for Polievre this morning, saying he wasn't going to back down to Trump. Everyone else, and these are all what you would call older men, between 50 and 70, had a crack at this guy. The prevailing attitude is that Polievre isn't telling the truth, doesn't have our backs, and nobody is willing to take the chance that he's not lying.

That's in backwoods, buttfuck Alberta. I don't know if this holds true across the prairies, but this is an area where the word Liberal is an epithet. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the CPC get decimated at this point, even in rural ridings.

I'm worried Trump will back down when an election is called, and it will take the edge off, and Polievre will get in. I don't trust the fucker, but most rural voters just need the barest hint of a reason to not vote for the Liberals. In the end, nothing that happens west of Ontario matters, but I imagine if it's like this here, it's way more obvious in the East.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I live in the Ottawa region and the attitude around here is simply that Trump handed the Liberals the win. I don't think this election is unsalvageable for the Conservatives (and frankly I think it's dangerous to think so) but they've got a mountain to climb, that's for sure.

Ontario's demographic in Toronto and Ottawa could be summed up as "urban conservative". Interestingly many of them think of themselves as left-wing or progressive and think the same of the Liberals. The reality is very different: they view public servants, the poor, and any other right-wing punching bags as undesirables, they protest any efforts to get housing built, and they even harass striking workers. But hey they're down with "the gays" so they're forward thinking right?

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 1 points 5 minutes ago

I'm sure enough about Polivre to stump for the Liberals. I'm just worried about bursting into flames when I cast a ballot with an L on it.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

After reading about Rubio's stupidity during the G7 meeting, Brussels should ask Canada to join the EU. It would force the UK to vote again, the EU would be number one in GDP and Putin's Fucking Sock Puppet would have an aneurysm.

[–] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 85 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

This headline is subtly dismissive.

"Angry" and "right now" both suggest a transient state. That's not what we're seeing.

"Canada has finally had enough of the USA" would be a more apt title; or "Canada reaches its breaking point."

Alongside of the #Never51 hashtag is an almost equally frequent #NeverGoBack. Canada, as a nation, as a people, are making the decision to go their own way, and never be so beholden to any country as we have been to the USA since 1959.

Never. Go. Back.

[–] Trex202@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

What happened in '59? Avro Arrow?

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago

The other thought I had was NORAD but my quick googling points to 1958 for that, and 59 for the arrow.

another one issue that I considered was the King-Byng affair, but that was in the 20s

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

I hope you're right, but the public's memory is short.

[–] suite403@lemmy.world 3 points 52 minutes ago

Yea, in the US it lasts less than 4 years.

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The public's memory is immaterial. The public really has no long term power. Decisions are made for us by politicians and businesses.

They're the one's who need to remember that the US has threatened their positions.

Voting with your wallet doesn't make for sustained, long term change. It requires too much work, and it's umder constant attack by marketing.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The public really has no long term power. Decisions are made for us by politicians and businesses.

If you had said short term I'd agree with you, it's all politicians, but over the long term public will has made a lot of changes the Lords of old would not have approved of. Getting reelected is hard and even safe seats aren't forever.

We do not live in a dictatorship, and we don't have to pay bribes to the local RCMP or say nice things about the Prime Minister like we would in a dictatorship. Hell, businesses can't even donate the same way as voters in Canada, all they really do is whine and threaten doom.

[–] ninthant@lemmy.ca 153 points 9 hours ago (39 children)

You’re goddamn right I’m furious.

And no less furious at the weak-kneed Democrats who do nothing as their own country is ripped from them by a clown. “Oh sorry; we’ll try again in 4 years” they say. Fuck your thoughts and prayers, how about do something. You won’t get a free election in 4 years, dummies.

Oh yeah, I realize you’re super busy and with your sportsball games and your reality TV marathons. Your inaction today will haunt your future.

And no this isn’t a call to action or a cry for help. We’re going to be just fine. You’re the ones who have to live there, and live with yourselves knowing you did nothing.

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[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 hours ago

You don't say?

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 47 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I just hope people remember than even AFTER the government changes, the companies and people behind them are still the same.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 56 points 9 hours ago (7 children)

The anger I'm seeing isn't just at Trump, it's at Americans in general.

They voted for this lunatic, twice. How can we possibly trust that shit like this won't ever happen again?

[–] fishtaco@lemmy.ca 35 points 9 hours ago (9 children)

Not to mention the 1/3 of eligible voters who couldn't fucking be bothered to vote at all. Fuck them too.

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