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I've used proton for a year or two now and it is fine. Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi and it sort of kind of works with gluetun (the rotating port is annoying but it still is a forwarded port).

But I've increasingly been annoyed with Proton as a company and am looking to migrate my email/domain to fastmail in the very near future. I COULD continue to just pay for the vpn (60 USD a year is pretty reasonable) but also feel like this is a good opportunity to "shop around"

Checked the wiki and other FAQs (which all basically crib from said wiki) and they all basically boil down to proton or mullivad... except that mullivad apparently stopped allowing port forwarding which is a bit of an issue for any torrents and the like.

So are there any other good options?

Thanks

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 112 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] quack@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Good choice for privacy, not so much for piracy. They removed their port forwarding feature a while ago.

[–] TauZero@mander.xyz 5 points 3 days ago

IMHO if you don't have a globally-reachable address or forwarded port, you are not really a participant of the internet, you are just a receptacle xD

One service I never see mentioned is OVPN. They have a 1-to-1 feature parity with mullvad and were an easy drop-in replacement when mullvad closed their ports:

  • wireguard
  • port forwarding
  • no usernames/emails/registration, only account numbers
  • crypto payments/cash in the mail
  • same price as mullvad
  • multiple device keys
  • multihop
  • no bandwidth limits
  • setup guides
  • status dashboard

I used mullvad for years, sad to see them go, and all my scripts basically worked without any change other than the server addresses/public keys. Only downside is they don't have as many users so not as many servers. I wish more people would join up so I get more IPs to choose from :D

[–] Eyro_Elloyn@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mullvad is so great in a vacuum, but it seems like every other website has you writing out a captcha or blocking you outright exclusively because you're on mullvad.

[–] atthecoast@feddit.nl 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes! And on top of it, embedded YouTube is also starting to block access

[–] Trihilis@ani.social 11 points 4 days ago

I've decided I'm not using websites that block mullvad anymore. I'm talking about a hard block like reddit does and not a captcha (captcha is fine by me).

If they're doing that much trouble to prevent me from using a VPN they must me doing some pretty shady shit with my data.

I will not move to another VPN because of all VPNs I feel Mullvad respects my privacy most.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 22 points 4 days ago

Not a VPN, but you may also want to look into I2P.

https://i2pd.website/

https://proprivacy.com/privacy-service/guides/i2p-guide

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FNp0TRDG0BQ

Basically, a p2p protocol for the entire internet.

Its considerably more complicated to set up than most modern VPNs, where nowaday's its usually as simple as install an app with a GUI, verify some settings and you're good to go, and i2p is also quite slow...

... but its totally free, and you can torrent over it, and as far as I know, if you've set it up properly, it is basically undetectable by ISPs, due to how it uses 'garlic' routing: basically, a whole bunch of users net requests are encrypted, anonymized, and then smashed into a big packet... so an ISP would have to untangle all of that for every packet, and afaik, none of them have figured out how.

I2P would obviously be horrible for watching streaming content though, snail speed.

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I love Mullvad, but if you need P2P its not the best option. If you just need a VPN, though, its amazing. Today I just switched to AirVPN and am running it on Arch through Eddie. Have my qbittorrent set up to only allow connections through Eddie and just forwarded my first port. I'm very happy with it.

I think the only downside is that I could get Mullvad for 5eur a month on a month by month basis. AirVPN is 7eur or 15eur for three months, so I have to lock into the three months to get the same price.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Other providers who know what they're doing include cryptostorm.is, PIA, and ipredator.se

Or make your own with a VPS with openvpn or witeguard

[–] Cgers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Worth noting that Italy (location of airvpn) hates vpns and is constantly fucking around with them, to the point air doesn't even actually operate in Italy to preserve users privacy. Right now, theres no immediate risk, but it' is worth keeping an eye on the political situation in Italy regarding VPN laws

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I did read this somewhere before. I just have to take my chances at the moment. My other option was Windscribe, but unless you're paying for a year+ their prices are astronomical.

[–] Cgers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago

Yeah I use airvpn myself, its just worth throwing that info out for full transparency/disclosure

[–] matey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

What's going on with Proton the company?

Edit: ah fuck, thanks for the replies. Sigh.

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 83 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Their CEO praised Trump/the Republican Party. He got widely criticised for it. Proton released a damage control statement but later deleted it after it made things worse.

People are now moving away from Proton as a result.

[–] Extras5023@lemm.ee 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Wow! Add me to that group. I need to cancel my annual family plan.

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[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It would be more accurate to say some people are moving away. The majority of their users are quite happy where they are.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 days ago (4 children)

"Time to find a CEO who has yet to publicly express their fascist sympathies..."

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[–] Wildfire0Straggler3@lemm.ee 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

The CEO said that Trump chose a great pick and sided with Republicans and there was a firestorm over it, he doubled down on his position through the official Proton channel.

https://archive.ph/2yWGz

[–] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 21 points 5 days ago

Ffs I literally just got proton. Fuuuuuck that

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[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (27 children)

Just FYI, the majority of Proton AG (which includes all Proton services) is owned by a non-profit body called the "Proton Foundation". This are headed by a board of 5 members, including Andy (CEO) and Tim Berners-Lee (the literal father of the internet as we know it).

Proton is fine.

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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Like basically all tech companies, the leadership are libertarian tech bros. It sucks, but whatever. The problem is also that the CEO (?) has been making public statements to try and cozy up to the trump administration over the past few months

Some of that still falls under the LTB effect (These policies benefit the company so fuck everyone else, etc) and it DOES make sense for a company to try and earn themselves an exception for the upcoming hellscape in a market that will REALLY want VPNs. But it still leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

Not in an "I MUST LEAVE PROTON NOW" state since I like the products because they tend to be pretty honest about what they will and won't do when the goons come a knocking and that mostly boils down to "cooperate. So do X Y and Z to protect yourself by preventing us from having the information they want"). But that, plus protonmail being kind of a shitshow if you want to keep offline copies of your emails, is motivation to shop around.

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[–] GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Andy yen praising trump is one thing and I kind of don’t care about that so much. What I do care about is how proton practices predatory sales to cash in on FOMO. Or if you subscribe for one month it’s an auto renewing subscription. Or that the best rates are if you sign up for a year. It’s weird for a not-for-profit structure to do billing like this

Mullvad doesn’t play games. A flat price and you get what you pay for.

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[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Proton recently closed their masterdon account because of the mutual hostility

[–] nawordar@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 4 days ago

if anything they've reopened their account with Master Don

[–] DARbarian@fedia.io 44 points 5 days ago (2 children)

AirVPN, IVPN, Mullvad, Windscribe

[–] kbal@fedia.io 37 points 5 days ago (7 children)

The requirement for port forwarding narrows that down to AirVPN and Windscribe, which is an unfortunately small set of choices.

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[–] marauding_gibberish142@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Mullvad, IVPN and ~~Nym~~ (not tested with audits yet, do not trust as much as the other two).

For clearnet browsing. PIA, AirVPN and Windscribe for torrenting. Windscribe and PIA are probably good for either but this is my classification, take it as you will

[–] sonalder@lemmy.ml 37 points 5 days ago (8 children)

I agree on this with the exception of PIA.

  • Marketing is BS like most VPN
  • Company is based in the USA
  • They do analytics
  • You cannot register "anonymously"

It's not the worst VPN you could choose but there is better options.

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[–] zedgeist@lemm.ee 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Just throwing in another voice for PIA. Their corporate owners may be questionable, but I've been with them since before they sold out and have never heard a peep from my ISP for seeding terabytes of torrents. They don't keep logs, and they are audited to prove it regularly.

EDIT: They also have port forwarding, but not for every exit server.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

PIA is such a weird one. They're massive and know what they're doing but ownership and jurisdiction have always been questionable. I have long suspected they cooperate with GHCQ but only on legitimate national security cases not piracy.

[–] droolio@feddit.uk 29 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Still using Private Internet Access (PIA).

Honestly, dunno why they've fallen out of fashion due to the FUD about being owned by an unsavoury parent company, but the most important matter to me is if they keep logs, which they don't. One of the few VPN companies tested on this, in court, and in a recent audit. Plus still extremely cheap (if you go for 3yr+3mo).

Port forwarding works with with this docker NAS stack. Doesn't use gluetun, but there's a specialised docker-wireguard-pia container as part of the stack, with a script that handles port changes. Been flawless.

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[–] BenchpressMuyDebil@szmer.info 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Great for use on my phone when I want to use public/airport wifi

If you just want the tunnel encryption you can try hosting a VPN on your own home network. It's what I do since I don't need to spoof my location.

You are asking in the piracy community so I'm assuming you're also using it to torrent (which a home VPN won't help with) but you didn't specifiy so I'm not sure

[–] land@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If you mainly do torrenting, AirVPN is a good option. I have recently moved away from ProtonVPN; it’s too expensive.

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