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The original was posted on /r/todayilearned by /u/MechCADdie on 2025-04-04 08:19:11+00:00.

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[–] clever_ideas_sometimes@sh.itjust.works 63 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Fun fact! - this is what Ben Stein is teaching in Ferris Bueller's day off.

And then the conservative brain worms convinced him to support the people who did it again.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I heard he became a MAGA though. How ironic.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Not really ironic. The dude was part of Nixons administration. Trump is basically Nixon 2.0. Trumps whole worldview was shaped by Nixon or guys who worked for Nixon.

[–] VitoRobles 4 points 1 day ago

Surprisingly, he was actually a terrible person BEFORE MAGA.

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[–] minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Great depression, and 2/3rds drop in global trade resulted.

I present also 1828 dementia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_Abominations which started southern secessionist movements.

Unjustifiable trade attacks like all wars are bad for unity. If California or Texas has to pay $10k more per car so metal and auto workers elsewhere get high pay, national unity fractures. Everything being super expensive with no jobs because of global trade retaliations, means that Mexicans stop being a unifying problem, and those white Michigan and Pennsylvania blue collar workers cheering for Trump are the problem. Better cars elsewhere in the world become a bigger national unity factor the more protection $ is spent on inferior cars.

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[–] bingBingBongBong@lemm.ee 46 points 2 days ago

Well they had elections afterwards. Trump's nazis will just throw dissenters into KZs and invade their neighbours.

There will be no free elections anymore

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 140 points 2 days ago (11 children)

We can't afford to waste this chance....

There is zero reason to settle for "not trump" we need to use Republican Inaptitude to get a decent progressive in power , there's zero reason to compromise with Republicans after this shit.

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 45 points 2 days ago (12 children)

They are already trying to setup Kamala for 2028. I have zero faith that the Democrats are going to learn anything from their failure

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They don't want to win. At least not with someone who would bring change. Why would they, they are all multimillionaires.

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[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 112 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Someone has either never seen “Ferris Buller’s Day Off,” can’t remember it very well, or didn’t pay attention. This was covered in class!

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 94 points 2 days ago (19 children)

In 1930, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, in an effort to alleviate the effects of the... Anyone? Anyone?... the Great Depression, passed the... Anyone? Anyone? The tariff bill? The Hawley-Smoot Tariff Act? Which, anyone? Raised or lowered?... raised tariffs, in an effort to collect more revenue for the federal government. Did it work? Anyone? Anyone know the effects? It did not work, and the United States sank deeper into the Great Depression. Today we have a similar debate over this. Anyone know what this is? Class? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone seen this before? The Laffer Curve. Anyone know what this says? It says that at this point on the revenue curve, you will get exactly the same amount of revenue as at this point. This is very controversial. Does anyone know what Vice President Bush called this in 1980? Anyone? Something-d-o-o economics. Voodoo economics.

[–] VitoRobles 50 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I watched this movie 3-4 times and even when reading this, I'm still spaced out.

Ben Stein just has a voice that makes me tune him out.

Such a great voice for comedy. Shame he's anti-abortion, pretty racist, pro-Regan and Trump, weirdly against evolution... So many awful perspectives.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago

What's interesting is that this boring speech isn't just an actor reading something boring. Stein is a second-generation economist. He has a BA in economics from Columbia University. His father had a PhD in economics and chaired the Council of Economic Advisors under Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford.

His father was apparently well respected by both parties, but the son has gone full MAGA, which is unfortunate.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

weirdly against evolution

You can see his point. Look where it got us, we should have stayed in the sea.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (37 children)

We got a Progressive Era out of it, maybe we'll get another one?

Edit: To clarify, I'm talking about the New Deal and New Deal v2 Progressive Eras (and the era of Progressive Democratic supermajorities that dominated congress)

[–] kokolowlander@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Germany got fascism out of the economic collapse.

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[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 70 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Proof yet again that "business leaders" typically don't know shit about shit.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 28 points 2 days ago

It is all 1000% on purpose.

They intend to ride it out and profit from all of this, and we'll let them due to cowardice and division.

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[–] Stylofox@lemmy.cafe 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

something something people who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Funny thing the 1828 Tariff of Abomination, The Smoot Hawley Tariff and Donald’s Liquidation Day Tariff are all roughly a hundred years apart. Living memory of the consequences of such tariffs need to die out completely before a new generation tries this stupidity.

It’s the same with the nativist bullshit. Memory of the peak of Know Nothing, KKK and now MAGA bullshit has to die out before it is tried again.

My only hope is that this is viewed as the high water mark of the MAGA movement. MAGA incompetence is on full display.

As much as I disagreed with Sen. Chuck Shumers decision to roll over on the budget. Shutting down the government and giving MAGA any excuse to blame Democrats for this economic slowdown would have been a bad call. Donald and the Republicans now solely own this disaster.

For the MAGA faithful it won’t make a difference but for independents, moderates and low information voters this could be a huge turning point.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 55 points 2 days ago

The thing about Smoot-Hawley is that when it happened everyone else also put up equal tariffs among one another.

this time the EU, Japan, South Korea, Canada are only putting tariffs on the US. Not amongst themselves.

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 56 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Every day of my life is an economic crisis.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Tarrifs are billionaire cash grabs, nothing more. Nobody likes those. Except billionaires of course.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Even the billionaires are going to lose money. It's just unjustifiably stupid.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They have enough money to coast along to buy and hoard failing companies and collect them for whenever the economy rebounds.

Billionaires have so much money, they could spend a few thousand a day and it wouldn't hurt their bank account for decades.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They could spend $100,000 a day for 50 years an not have spent through 2 Billion. Elon and musk both command 200 Billion ish. the interest alone is worth that 8 billion a year if it was in treasuries.

Every year the interest on Musks fortune could generate enough money to spend $2,100,000 a day without even losing a dollar of principle. on the theoretical interest of his fortune.

I lost 10% of my retirement today. Thats not even a fraction of any of these numbers 😂😭

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[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Every once-in-a-lifetime economic disaster I've personally witnessed has taught me that any economic loss for billionaires is only temporary.

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

God let history repeating itself be a good thing for once.

[–] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How about no. The only people who will suffer is poor people.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it makes them angry, to actually do something?

Sometimes we need an example, and hypothetically I think the orange turd getting gadaffid would be a spectacular one.

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[–] suite403@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

History is rhyming. The person you're responding to is simply hoping the outcome is positive. The poorest people have already been suffering.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 66 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (19 children)

There is some nuance here. Smoot-Hawley didn't cause the great depression, and there a lot of economists who say it didn't have that much of an effect at all.

Tarriffs can have some useful effects when used for protectionism, diplomatic coercion, or trade barrier reduction coercion. However, Trump's tariffs are way dumber than anything that came before, because he's trying to do all three of these at once. All of these have conflicting effects on each other, and it is literally impossible to design a tariff strategy that can accomplish all three, since raising a tariff for one purpose means that you need to lower tariffs for other purposes. All he's doing by raising across the board is causing instability in the economy and convincing all partners to ditch the US.

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago

All he's doing is exactly what Putin wants. Systematically isolating and weakening America while weakening the West at large and any other competing countries to his power and new accumulation of wealth.

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 56 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The largest Senate loss in history yet

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Smoot-Hawley 2: Electric Boogaloo

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I have a feeling they learned, and then said “what a great idea to crash the economy. It’s so easy, let’s do it.”

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just throwing this out there.

If you expect conservatives to learn anything from this experience, I can promise you on my life that they won't. They will not deviate from voting R under any circumstance in existence.

Best we can hope for is independents getting a clue and helping swing the next election, if there is one, back to the grownup party.

Not holding my breath though. This is a very, very stupid generation of Americans.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

A hero of the right, Ronald Reagan, actually gave a speech condemning tariffs. Yup, I'm actually on Reagan's side here.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Mj6N-WBPrVw

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[–] RymrgandsDaughter@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

If we don't get these paid actors out of Congress we're going to lose in ways most people really don't want to believe

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