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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 53 points 4 days ago (2 children)

EVs always feel silly when I ride my ebike next to them. They're the least-offensive kind of car, but that's so much metal/infrastructure/space going into doing the same thing my bike does. All of that is hostile to the environment in so many more ways than just fuel consumption.

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 45 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Fundamentally you can't really out engineer yourself out of the fact that using about 2 tons of metal to drive an average of 1,2 passengers somewhere is just inefficient

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

also still has the same rubber pollution from tyres breaking down as a combustion car
most bicycles also have the tyre problem, but obviously significantly less as the tyres are smaller and experience less wear

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

EVs have worse rubber and brake pad pollution because they are a lot heavier. Some of that might be, theoretically, offset by regenerative braking but that is trusting multiple million people to not drive their car like fast & the furious brained dicks.

Anyhow, your average marathon schwalbe puncture superproof, among the heaviest tyres, weighs about 750g a pop, so 1,5kg for a bicycle. Your average car tyre weighs about 8kg. If we assume you ride both of them just into the fucking ground, like near rim on asphalt type situations, you can do this 21 times over for a whole bicycle before you get one car of tyre wear.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 4 days ago

EVs have worse rubber and brake pad pollution because they are a lot heavier.

good point, i forgot about the weight difference

Anyhow, your average marathon schwalbe puncture superproof, among the heaviest tyres, weighs about 750g a pop, so 1,5kg for a bicycle. Your average car tyre weighs about 8kg. If we assume you ride both of them just into the fucking ground, like near rim on asphalt type situations, you can do this 21 times over for a whole bicycle before you get one car of tyre wear.

yep, even at the extreme less tyre means less broken down rubber to fuck up the environment

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 4 days ago

That's only if you don't burn rubber on your bicycle. Put the trucks and sports cars to shame with your 2 calfpower speedster.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

There are non oil bike wheels made of natural rubber. Haven't tried them yet

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It is worse than that. They use some rare earth minerals too and thus, they release around 50 tons of carbon dioxide per car compared to 20-30 tons of carbon dioxide per combustion car

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 22 points 4 days ago

bollocks to that, EV cars are enviromentally better. Sure, there's problems there politically as per the idiotic plans to junk 8 gajillion ICE cars and replace them with new ones and such, but the concept is sound in the sense that it's the least worst car. It's just that least worst car is still pretty bad considering how they're used and the whole endeavour about the EV car revolution is not about saving the planet, it's about saving car sales

[–] fox@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

The upfront cost is higher but they win out over time and distance driven. They're still bad for all the reasons cars are bad but they're better then ice cars

[–] fishy 21 points 4 days ago

Yup, I have colleagues who live closer to the office than me who take 50% longer to get in because they're competing with a train and a commuter scooter.

Literally paying for a vacation with the cash it saved me, and I've managed to read a dozen books and play tons of retro games. I love cars and car culture, but fuck me it's so dumb to use a car when there's other options. Like using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I think we should pay attention to the general trend of small form factor EVs in China. Yeah, the cars they make are cool, but they also have tons of small electric cargo scooter/moped things. And plenty of places to charge them for practically free.

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

That sounds amazing, fuck I wanna live in the 21st century so bad

[–] durruticore@hexbear.net 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

One question, asking mostly out of ignorance. Aren't EVs not supposed to be a long term solution, because of all the rare earth materials going into the batteries (lithium neodymium etc) I know they're still used for other things, and they're less polluting than fossil fuel vehicles, but aren't there better options?

[–] Enjoyer_of_Games@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

There is no long term plan, there's barely a short term plan.

Have to hope EV's are a stop gap to real public transport and city design (highly unlikely) or that batteries that don't require rare earth materials are developed (possible but not given).

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[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (10 children)

You'll need to invent an air conditioned bicycle if you want me to ride

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 43 points 4 days ago (5 children)

this is carbrained in the sense that the article is proposing much needed vast changes to urban transportation and the first inclination is "but what about meeeeeeeeeee"

I mean god's sake the byline is "Active travel can help tackle the climate crisis earlier than electric vehicles – even if you swap the car for a bike for just one trip a day.", figure it out

[–] shath@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

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[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago

Americans are truly going to kill us all

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Once you hit about 15 mph on an e-bike, the breeze it pretty much equivalent.

[–] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

Wear a crop top for better airflow

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

have you considered that the buses run better with fewer cars and more bikes, and not just like, whether this poses a moral quandary to you personally?

[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Have you considered that you're making up a guy in your head and arguing with him about some shit that i didn't say and offered no opinion on

whether this poses a moral quandary to you personally

jesse-wtf

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago (9 children)

You'll need to invent an air conditioned bicycle if you want me to ride

no one asked you to ride a bike, what the actual fuck are you commenting if you don't have an opinion to express. we're talking about the death of millions from climate catastrophe in the next hundred years and you're being myopic.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

we're talking about the death of millions from climate catastrophe in the next hundred years

Wild levels of optimism on hexbear today.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago

figured i'd rather wildly underestimate than check the presumably more horrifying real numbers.

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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Have you considered that you're making up a guy in your head and arguing with him about some shit that i didn't say and offered no opinion on

well what is your point, comrade? Lay it out for us

[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Shitposters on a shitposting site sure get mad over shit posts

[–] eyyImwalkin@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

if you keep using air conditioner, eventually even air conditioner won't work

on the other hand 90F temps are very survivable if you drink water

you just have to shame the cattle into accepting sweaty people in the summer

also pie-in-the-face anybody who wears a suit in public. that shits for england where the record high is 77F. not here

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

With anti-veganism banned, cars are the last remaining thing that gets hexbears to post like federated users

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If you ride fast you provide your own air conditioning

[–] WizardOfLoneliness@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I can assure you and the other person that when it's hot and humid enough that doesn't work

[–] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

Just need to ride faster

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

rip to your clothes but i'm built different.

i can respect being built different

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

ride in underwear

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 4 days ago

Trying using busses

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

Have you considered that you wouldn't have needed air conditioner if it wasn't for cars (OK there are exceptions places for this)

Oh Lisa you can prove anything with facts

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

Too bad westerners are deathly allergic to bicycles and building competent bicycle infrastructure

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