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Ohio Republicans make plans after voters approve Issue 1, Issue 2 (www.dispatch.com)

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[-] kescusay@lemmy.world 121 points 7 months ago

Dear Republicans,

If you want to remain relevant politically, here's what you need to do: GIVE UP. Seriously. You're fighting a losing battle against time and changing demographics. A majority of people under 50 hate you, a huge majority of people under 40 hate you, and practically everyone under 30 hates you. That is not a recipe for long-term viability.

Yield on the culture war shit. You lost. Get the fuck over it. Move on. And maybe someday there will be two parties willing to talk about substantive issues again, rather than one party being only willing to talk about protecting fetuses from being gay molested by drag queen Jewish space lasers.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 78 points 7 months ago

The thing is they have nothing else. They have no policy. If they had a health care plan it would be the ACA They don't support any ubi or anything to help families

Republicans

Have

Policy

They have to rely on culture wars.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Well that's not true. They have the policy of wealth idolatry while claiming moral and religious superiority as the basis for why you should be voting for them.

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[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 36 points 7 months ago

Nah, they'd rather burn the US to the ground than let women and minorities be equals.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

This is why.

Democrats: Stop trying to reason with republiQans. They will never even deal in good faith. Never. Stop it. Build what you can alone. Seriously, the effort wasted in trying to understand or sway them is immense. Just stop.

[-] athos77@kbin.social 11 points 7 months ago

Given the way they treat minorities, can you blame them for not wanting to become one?

[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 5 points 7 months ago

Bit of a loaded question lol

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

Idk how much of that is true sadly. I live in a state that is, thankfully, Democrat but 9 years ago moved to an area that is more rural. I know the majority here is voting R but over time I also realized something that shocked me more which was that a lot of the teenagers here seem to reflect the same values as there parents. I've overheard conversations with them talking about Trump, watching Tucker Carlson, and just generally siding with them. I believe this is probably the case for a lot of the same age group in Midwest states as well. Just watch videos from the youtube channel "channel 5 news" to see festivals and other events where the general consensus of younger people is to scream hate about our current president. Even my boss at work who I always knew was R was talking about his daughter buying a Trump flag who is just in high school. They also live in a rural area as well. The only positive thing that he said, that shocked me, was that he actually does hate Trump and will not vote for him due to everything going on. And here I thought it didn't matter what he did, thankfully some people can think reasonably and see the absolute horror he is.

[-] Yewb@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Exposure they don't know anything other than the indoctrination they were given, as they meet more people and move out of corn town they will realize how they were lied to and flip.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Oh yeah, I’m 29 and got made fun of in high school for voting for Obama. The left has a large lead on a lot in younger voters, but it isn’t even close to unanimous

[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They know this, that's why their strategy is now "full blown fascism". If they can't win democratically, then they will ignore, undermine, and destroy democracy to get what they want; which is exclusive control of all the money and all the power.

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 73 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ohio Republican plans usually involve insane amounts of gerrymandering and bribery.

[-] Its_Always_420@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago

And it didn't get them anywhere. They pulled every dirty trick they could think of for this election and still lost by a wide margin.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 13 points 7 months ago

that just means they'll try harder and dirtier next time.

[-] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I'm all for kicking them while they're down.

[-] Its_Always_420@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

And lose by a larger margin. The only political tactic these people know is to double down and go more conservative. A clear losing strategy at this point.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 67 points 7 months ago

“Are we out of touch? No, it’s those damn voters who are wrong” -Republicans Party 🤡

[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 5 points 7 months ago

i think this is their 2024 platform

[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 64 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Of course these bastards want to undo the will of the people.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 51 points 7 months ago

"Life is worth fighting for. As a grandparent of eight, the life of a baby is always worth the fight," Huffman said. "The national abortion industry funded by wealthy out-of-state special interests spent millions to pass this radical language that goes far past abortion on demand. This isn't the end. It is really just the beginning of a revolving door of ballot campaigns to repeal or replace Issue 1."

Interesting how "people disagree with me" never even enters their fucking consciousness. These people won't give up until they die and someone else takes over. May that day come sooner than later.

[-] dynamojoe@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

So many dogwhistles in that screed. "abortion industry","Wealthy", "out-of-state", "special interests", "radical", "abortion on demand".

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago

I think it's important to understand that to many of these people, it's deeply religious. They believe that they are doing God's work, and if they compromise on issues they believe are facilitated in scripture, they might end up in hell. So they choose martyrdom over cooperation. They'll gladly sacrifice democracy if they feel like democracy is going against their interpretation of God's word.

It's the same reason peace in the Middle East is so difficult and seemingly unattainable. No one budges on their religion.

[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 18 points 7 months ago

The wild thing is that scripture supports abortion and even demands it in some cases. These people don't know their own scripture and they don't care about scripture... they care about what the loud, dramatic white man told them on stage last Sunday. Nothing more, nothing less.

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 7 points 7 months ago

That's why I specifically said "their interpretation" of scripture. It doesn't really matter how other people interpret scripture. Politics among evangelical Christians is very much a "my way or the highway" kind of ideology.

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[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 7 months ago

I agree with them that babies' lives are worth fighting for. The problem is, I don't agree that a fetus is a baby. Alive? Sure, insomuch as a parasite is alive or cancer is alive. That we often colloquially call a fetus a baby doesn't magically make it one.

[-] CosmicTurtle@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

These people don't want to protect babies. Let's be clear about that. If they did, snap benefits would be expanded to all children.

Abortion is about control and punishing women. When you get away from the rhetoric, it comes down to slut shaming women for having sex.

They don't actually care if babies are saved. They only care that women are punished.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 11 points 7 months ago

If they did, snap benefits would be expanded to all children.

And schools would have effective sex education. And birth control would be free or subsidized by the States.

But I totally agree. "Children" are only a tool to scare well-meaning people into thinking there's a problem where there is none.

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[-] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 42 points 7 months ago

Is it plans to fuck off and die? Then they'd finally be doing something good for ohio for once. I am proud of my fellow ohioans for these results.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Why thank you. Proud of you as well. My wife almost missed it as she is pregnant and was exhausted and slept most of the day, but we lucked out and had half an hour left for her to go vote.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago

The national abortion industry funded by wealthy out-of-state special interests spent millions to pass this radical language that goes far past abortion on demand.

I knew that politicians, especially those from the GOP, are delusional, but claiming that this was the reason for a 75% win of "Issue 1" is a pure and utter lie.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

Haha, that's so funny. 80% of funding on both sides of the fight came from out of state. I will say that the pro-choice camp also spent far less on their campaigns than the anti-women campaigns.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 7 months ago

And you're surprised? They'll do anything they think they can get away with, and they've figured out they can lie all the time about everything and get no pushback at all from the kind of people who vote Republican.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

national abortion industry

What the fuck are they on? They act like there's a massively funded lobbying group like the oil industry or pharma has. This is a bunch of doctors doing $50 D&Cs and prescribing morning after pills at the free clinic.

[-] evidences@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

but claiming that this was the reason for a 75% win of "Issue 1" is a pure and utter lie.

It wasn't a 75% win though, the election results are still "unofficial" but issue 1 only got 56.62% of the votes. It's a good thing the issue 1 in august failed to pass.

[-] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 31 points 7 months ago

This is something that voters would remember. These people got into office under the pre-Roe thinking where abortion was a convenient wedge issue. Overturning ROE was the barking dog catching the car and all steam went out of the whole works as a result. The people have shown that most never actually minded abortion in the first place. If these legislatures manage to so overtly overturn the will of the people, I suspect that we'll see a change in some membership come next election.

[-] tburkhol@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Let's not oversell this. OH #1 only passed 55-45. 52% turnout is far better than a normal odd-year election, but 55-45 is hardly a blowout, especially because it depended on 70-30 wins in the big cities. A huge swath of Ohio's regular voters are perfectly happy to go along with abortion restrictions, and a sizeable number of staunch pro-choicers will show up to keep Roe in the dirt. Any district that doesn't include a major metro, abortion is still a convenient wedge issue.

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Let’s not oversell this. OH #1 only passed 55-45.

Not true. The split is actually 56.6-43.4. An almost 57% majority is a solid bipartisan bloc. Not saying there aren't pockets of resistance, especially in rural counties, but if you're parsing details you need to refer to correct statistics.

[-] MacGuffin94@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

That is how pretty much all states, not just Ohio, are layed out. The USA is massive in terms of land. Ohio is roughly the size of Germany. The play is to get 60-70-80 percent in major Metropolitan areas because the rest of the state is cows and corn. Only 7 counties had more than 100k votes cast in total with the three counties home to Cleveland, Columbus, and Cincinnati accounting for almost 1/3 of the total votes cast. All 7 of those counties voted in favor of issue 1. Any district that doesn't have a major metro area is not viable. These areas are bleeding money and jobs and losing population. Eventually they will lose enough and Ohio will lose enough congressional seats that it will not be able to be reliably gerrymandered as heavily because of the population being so heavily centered in 3 locations. Ohio was one of the first test for GOP gerrymandering and it is a first look at what will happen when that is the only way they can win.

[-] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

I don't live in a large ohio city and even still, the city has more people living in it than the surrounding 4 counties combined.

[-] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

It's important to keep things in context. As far as I'm aware, anytime abortion has been on the ballot, it has won. Not only won, but increased voter turnout and improved the results for democrats on the same ballot.

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[-] Hominine@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

May they find out even harder moving forward. Not many days roll past in which I can honestly imagine Republicans going full Whig, but today is one of them.

[-] B_Larson@kbin.social 27 points 7 months ago

Ohio voter here. The job is not done. The next step is to vote these pricks out of office. And that means funding their opponents when the time comes for them to run for reelection.

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

Democracy... But only when I personally benefit from the results... Or if Women and minorities loose rights /s

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago

"I can't believe in 2023 we're actually talking about elected officials not respecting the will of the voters and not respecting the outcome of an election,"

I'm not sure if that was sarcasm.

[-] Veraxus@kbin.social 15 points 7 months ago

Republicans: "Stop calling us fascist!"

Then stop meeting the literal definition of it.

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Ohio republicans are fucking malding.

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 4 points 7 months ago

Whatever, puff puff pass, dude

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