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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

I got a Proton two-year subscription that averages out to two dollars and change per month.

I already feel like I got an incredible deal.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 19 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

“Up to”…… here’s 5% off

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 points 38 minutes ago

Very true. I'm giving you up to* 1000 upvotes.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 10 points 3 hours ago

It's not exactly 30%. For sales below $1M, it's 15%: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/small-business-program/

In Europe, where this was established last year, they started charging a Core Technology Fee to cover the cost of hosting and data transfer: https://developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/

And if you switch payment providers, you have to pay at least 2.5% plus transaction and any intermediary fees.

It's nice that Proton is offering a discount, but for everyone else there may be additional ongoing costs.

[–] nous@programming.dev 217 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Yen also pointed out how such a court decision could help cut inflation in the US, too, "by dropping the price of a significant chunk of digital purchases by 30% overnight".

I bet most companies will just take that extra 30% as profit rather than giving it back to their users like proton has.

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 21 points 5 hours ago

Yeah, Proton is bucking the obvious trend, with this one. Most companies will totally take the profits rather than lowering prices.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 20 points 6 hours ago

Companies that were app-first like mobile games probably won't cut prices much if any. Companies that were web-first like Proton and Patreon probably will.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 41 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (4 children)

Yeah, even of the companies don’t pocket the difference, he’s an idiot to suggest that this will cut inflation.

This guy is just not very smart, I think.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 64 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I think he’s a salesperson trying to sell the idea that getting rid of the apple tax is good for consumers.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 8 hours ago (8 children)

getting rid of the apple tax is good for consumers.

I mean that's not wrong. I had no idea Apple was double-dipping like this. I wonder if Google is doing the same thing...

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 29 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Every store does this. Even Holy Valve

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago

Here comes the Steam defenders.

[–] hikaru755@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

What? Since when does Valve prohibit companies from redirecting customers to non-Valve purchasing flows? Because that's what this ruling is about, it says Apple can't prohibit apps from telling users to go buy off-platform for lower prices. Valve isn't doing that with Steam afaik, actually I'm not aware of any other platform that does this

[–] kbotc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Any of the video game console companies.

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Valve will even allow developers to create their own Steam keys free of charge and sell them wherever they want with no commission whatsoever

That’s pretty open I’d say

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (6 children)

Every company who takes a cut from in-app purchases, be it subscriptions or DLC, should be kneecapped by this ruling.

It's one thing for the hosting marketplace (App Store, Steam, Play Store, etc) to take a cut from the initial purchase of a game/app. But it's a whole other issue for that initial marketplace to keep reaching further into the dev's pockets and take a cut from in-app purchases unrelated to where it was originally obtained.

[–] Greercase@lemmus.org 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That just turns paid apps into splash screens for in-app purchases though. That way apple never gets a cut because the "purchase" is in-app. Pay to be listed (maybe tiered depending on downloads) seems fair especially because it doesn't incentivize people to do scammy things with pricing. It's already a fee anyway.

[–] lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 hours ago

That just turns paid apps into splash screens for in-app purchases though

Welcome to Android lol

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[–] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 51 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Cool! Still not gonna put all my eggs in the fascist-sympathetic basket

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[–] philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 79 points 8 hours ago (11 children)

Do he still think fascism is good for small businesses though?

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[–] suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 63 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

If they can charge 30% less without Apple's fees, then why are their prices the same whether you buy on their iOS app or direct on their website? Why have they been overcharging users who don't buy through the iOS app by 30% all this time?

[–] Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Old knowledge disclaimer, but if they didn't change it then:

Because Apple literally tells people that they're not allowed to charge less somewhere else - at least that was the case several years ago...

[–] patrick@lemmy.bestiver.se 17 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Some things do charge different amounts though. YouTube Premium for example is more expensive if you subscribe in iOS but maybe that’s just because it’s Google.

They also could have just not let anyone subscribe through the iOS app. Lots of things do that.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

I’ve noticed this too, there’s no consistency. Some companies seem to get away with two prices, others not.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

This is the same on most platforms. You'll rarely find a product for different prices in different places because if they're listed on Amazon, Steam, Apple, Google, etc. they're not allowed to.

[–] Buelldozer 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

That isn't exactly true with Steam. Valve does allow a dev to offer a discount at a different store as long as that same discount comes to Steam in a reasonable amount of time.

Straight from the docs:"It's OK to run a discount for Steam Keys on different stores at different times as long as you plan to give a comparable offer to Steam customers within a reasonable amount of time."

[–] maxwellfire@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

That's probably only for selling steam keys on another store. You might be able to sell non steam versions for any price you want

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago

Because Apple prohibited that.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Likely they were not allowed to by the terms they agreed to with apple.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Most favored nation clause. Apple gets the lowest price that you offer. I'd you offer any discounts elsewhere, that have to be the same on the app store

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 18 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This the trump-licker? Yeah, bye Proton.

Buh bye now

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Thundermail is coming soon. By Mozilla.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 2 points 39 minutes ago

That's the best name by far! Well, I guess second, compared to Thunderbird.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 26 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No doubt Proton’s CEO will use this to justify his “Trump is better for regulating big tech” claim, while ignoring the fact that the judge in this case is an Obama appointee.

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