chapotraphouse

I don't know what a gooner is but i have to disagree with the "porn addiction is not real" statement. It's a very real thing, and like other addictions, people simply refuse to admit they have a problem.

As a male i've had to endure porn talks throughout my life, from my high school circle, to my college circle, to my coworker circle, to catching my uncles watching porn, to every single random countryside worker. Literally every conversation with men ends up about porn or homophobia.

No kidding but at some point i had to watch porn as "research" just in case i had to talk about it in a drinking game or something, because "name porn genres" is something that always comes up in drinking games. How is this not real?

undersocialized young men that don’t know how to interact with people

as an undersocialized enby I feel erased and unappreciated

Gooning is endemic now because the government ended goon lockdowns too early

Sex is not bad, nor is being sexually liberated.

However sex and sexuality as it it treated under our current society is highly misogynistic and exploitative.

"Oh stop being a prude" is definitely a phrase uttered to many young women in the entertainment industry to shame her into exploiting her body for capital.

Volcel vanguard has nothing to with gooning. It came about because redditors are mostly porn-brained males that can't stop making spaces on reddit uncomfortable for women at literally every single opportunity. Volcel vanguard spawned as a meme to shame people and counter that on the CTH subreddit.

It is useful and it is good and people absolutely do need to be told to shut the fuck up about it or else you end up with spaces that are made entirely uncomfortable for everyone else.

Relatively new account.

Calls out hexbear site culture in a backhanded way, implying this is a problem that can be "fixed".

Makes very bold statements, the only source being a random tiktok video.

Conflates leftist ideas about women not being overly sexualised with right wing puritanical beliefs.

Makes very basic feel-good statements that don't commit to a strong position, AKA the "liberal politician" approach.

Acts as if they are just "helpfully reminding" hexbear to "be more normal" and "not fall for propaganda" while basically telling us to not worry and support status quo ideas.

Not sure if I should go "" or "" either way, this is some lame ass bait. Not everyone obsesses over how much people get laid as you do dude, get over it.

Is gooning even an actual thing? It sounds more like a comedy bit that got taken too seriously and became something "everyone knows" than something that actually happens. Like "kids eat Tide Pods" or "furries are using litter boxes at schools."

Still upset at the kids for sexualizing the word Goon.

I can no longer call me and my possee the Goon squad

l don't think porn is categorically problematic. I think the content of the porn and the worldview that it espouses can absolutely be harmful, though.

I'd compare it to saying stand-up comedy is good or bad. It's neither. Stand-up comedy is a genre, and within it are smart folks doing great work AND chuds spewing hate.

My problem with porn is that it often objectifies women and primes men to view women as sex objects.

I think many men don't have actual friends that are women, and primarily engage with women romantically or sexually (and tbh, I don't think most men are self-aware enough to distinguish between the two).

The media we consume (porn included) influences our worldview. If men watch porn (or stand-up) that has misogynist undertones and don't have friends that are women as a counterbalance, I think they will trend towards a misogynist worldview.

For anyone reading this who needs to hear it, it's very possible to become addicted to anything that causes you to experience a dopamine high. That's kinda the point of dopamine as I understand it: it makes you want to do something again. If your relationship with that activity becomes dysfunctional, you could very easily find that your desire to engage with it has become a need to engage with it without you even noticing the shift until you try to stop. The chuddy framing of a "gooner epidemic" where the blame for it is shifted to sex workers and sexual liberation is wrong. From my perspective, there seems to be an epidemic of untreated addiction in general where I am driven by the slow collapse of civil society in the imperial core. So please don't avoid facing and seeking help if you need it for harmful addictions just because the subject of your addiction is usually perfectly healthy in moderation.

Edit: for some topical comic relief

For the damn bot: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5mhk252Zqm8

Sex is good. Porn is often not.

Other than a lot of porn being exploitative in it's production, overconsumption of porn is very common, and often contributes to people having weird attitudes to over sexualising women.

It fucks with your reward system. You can absolutely become addicted. It's not a particularly healthy habit. You can desensitise yourself to real sex and change the way you're able to enjoy it.

In these times, where you get served up porn content on your explore page for no good reason, I think porn consumption can easily become unhealthily pushed upon you.

The volcel police meme is a bit tired now, but I do think it's good that we keep this site mostly non sexual.

Oh shit new bear thread with more comments than votes fuck yeah gotta pull this up on my middle goon cave monitor for some background reading

For real though fuck this site for teaching me what a gooner is you can all go to hell for that one

People online be like "I just saw a tiktok, new opinion downloaded" and go from there.

volcel vanguard is just to keep people from being weird when nobody asked, I don't see a problem with it and honestly never would have even associated with with gooner shit if you hadn't mentioned it

Agreed but I think we can all also agree that when Norman Finkelstein talked about gooning being fascist it was both correct and one of the funniest things ever.

radlib take. sex is great, and people should be having it, and online pornography, which commodifies the most intimate and shared human experiences, and only serves to further atomize and alienate us from each other and ourselves, sucks. it produces less sex and less intimacy; it creates a market which degrades and exploits.

we easily diagnose mindless consumption as bad and deadening of the spirit, but yet people refuse to admit this when it comes to frictionless consumption of sexual gratification. why is this, why is the need to signal that one isn't a prude require an endorsement of gooning?

undersocialized young men that don’t know how to interact with people.

You don't even need the "undersocialized" or "young" qualifiers there. However the volcel police meme started back on the old sub it was quickly weaponized to target the sort of omnipresent low-level sexual harassment that creeps do all over reddit and it's managed to persist past the death of the sub and multiple ground shifts in site culture here because it works at suppressing that.

“We do not live in an overly-sexually-liberated time. There is not an excess of sexual content or exposure to it”

Idk maybe I am ignorant on history, but like…what time but the current would have MORE exposure to sexual content than the current internet age?
I do feel like we are living in one of the most if not the most sexually liberated and over exposed times in history for good or for ill I feel like that’s just obviously the case.

Some of these comments here really make it seem like the word "gooning" is just the word "dgenercy" rebranded.

honestly voIcel police is just a really tired meme. that said I do really value the anti-horny culture of this particular board, it's played a big part in keeping this a good space for people that aren't cis men I think.