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[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 34 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So what happens if the thugs in the DoJ clash with this judicial security? Are they prepared to turn their weapons on the DoJ officers? If not, then this is only to protect judges from stochastic terrorism at the hands of tRump supporters. Dark passages up ahead, I fear.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (4 children)

The DOJ is subordinate to the Judiciary, regardless of what these assclowns are trying to cosplay.

The Judiciary is equal to Executive and Congress. That's just a fucking fact. A Federal Judges ruling has the same weight as any bullshit Executive Order Trump can crap out on paper.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 12 points 5 days ago

The only fact that matters is whose orders are the cops going to enforce.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago

That seems to matter little to this regime. So, I ask again, what happens when they clash? We saw them stage a situation and try to arrest sitting members of congress and a mayor. In a sane world, you are correct. We don't live in that world so subordination doesn't matter!

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 5 days ago (7 children)

The DOJ is subordinate to the Judiciary

Maybe crack open a book on US government or read an encyclopedia article: Department of Justice is department of the executive branch. Historically, they started out as the federal government's attorneys/prosecutors.

The judicial branch only has the federal courts, its judges, its administrators.

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[–] ubergeek 5 points 6 days ago

Those are only facts if someone enforces it at the business end of a weapon.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

If they aren't ready to put down fascist jackboots they aren't gonna be able to do the job.

[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

They should. Some minimal physical protection may be needed to meet, consider, decide and publish a decision (nothing more) if things get really bad.

If they can modify the US Marshals service get independence from the DoJ, that seems reasonable.

[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 days ago

They still need Congress to fund it which seems unlikely.

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As they should be scared. They are currently dismantling the United States… did they not think there would be ramifications?

[–] SabinStargem 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Honestly, I have the impression that they don't. The 1% already won the game of life, but they insist on doubling down and gambling the nation for...line go up?

The wealthy are addicts without restraint.

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I'm sure there are a lot of court cases i don't hear about but they seem to be siding with the constitution most of the time.

[–] altphoto 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Tillman@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Dredd was my first thought too. My favorite Thatcher inspired comic.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 days ago

Everything is fine. We're completely fucked.

[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Wasn't that the US marshals?

[–] _LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

1000016460

EDIT: for the non-historians among us, this was Ernst Röhm, head of the Nazi Brownshirts (SA), a paramilitary organization used to primarily cause havoc amongst the population and competing political parties, but also in charge of protection details for high ranking NSDAP officials, later replaced by the SS when Hitler had him murdered due to lack of trust.

Fun fact: historians call Hitler's purge of Ernst Röhm and other brownshirts "The Night of the Long Knives". Ironically enough, Hitler used that expression in a post-purge speech in which he claimed that Röhm had himself been planning a night of the long knives assassination of Hitler and other Nazi leaders. Quite unintentionally, the expression came to be used to describe Hitler's actions.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Nah, we need politicians to be able to feel fear, imo. If they never have to think "will this come back to haunt me?" then that's going to enable a lot of awful shit.

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