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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

You think this is BS?

West Virginia isn't even the furthest west Virginia... And there are only 2 of them.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Sorry bud, this is CartographyAnarchy, not just plain Cartography. Please post such accurate maps there rather than this joke place :)

[–] Darohan@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not from the US and this thread is the first time I've understood why the phrase "the Midwest" never seemed to match up with where I thought "the Midwest" should be.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 7 points 22 hours ago

Once upon a time the USA promised various tribes we would not start settling their lands to the west so the "midwestern USA" did match that space until we violated treaties and later seized CA.

Basically we had more land that wasn't ours to the west when the midwest got it's name.

[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago

That’s upper/north MidEast.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 145 points 2 days ago (4 children)

We should rename it the "middle east"

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

This is because names are with relation to the center of power.

So to europeans, the middle east is well, middle east, from europe.

While to east coast americans, the midwest is well, the middle west, compared to the original colonies.

This is what happens when you use naming systems from the powerful instead of just using local names.

[–] 9blb@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

So to europeans, the middle east is well, middle east, from europe.

Europe splits it into "near east" (Turkey, UAE, Iran), "middle east" (Afghanistan, India) and "far east" (China).

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 1 points 22 hours ago

Sort of? The fact is when the midwest got its name there was land to the west America had not claimed/seized/stolen.

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Haliburton has entered the chat.

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Haliburton has rebuilt the chat.

The "private security" company that Haliburton hired is allegedly doing sketchy things to the native chat members.

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i was about to say that this its like calling West Asia the "Middle East".

or one of the easternmost indian states being called "West Bengal".

[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

For the latter it is because the East Bengal is the independent country of Bangladesh

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[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Put the center of the compass in NY and it all works.

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This. Our country was originally established on the east coast. Anything off the coastline was considered "west." But knowing just how massive our country is now, we have the true west (left half of the country) and then the mid-west (anything not on the east coast, but not on the left half of the country).

Our basis for cardinal locations is centered around the concept of our nation slowly expanding "out west" from the east coast.

You can also kinda see it in how we refer to regions directionally. Back east, down south, up north, out west while they're kind of relics these terms subtly show how folks view the US.

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Did Canada take back the top bit at some point?

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, let Canada maintain the element of surprise.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I’m assuming it was named that way because “the west” was basically anything past Oklahoma from the perspective of the east coast, where most of the population existed.

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago

Everything past the Ohio Valley was considered the west.

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I didn't look up where Guam and American Samoa are. The centre could even be further west.

But new York is in the south.

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago

I’m from WA and NY is much warmer than WA, defy makes sense to me

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Where's US Chad?

[–] drewaustin@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Wait until you see Upper Canada and Lower Canada.

[–] SirSamuel@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

My favorite throwaway joke in Anchorman is Brick saying something like "and then the weather pattern will move over the Middle East" while gesturing to the Midwest and, oooh, chef's kiss

[–] DrBob@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (8 children)

It was the west before the entire Continent was explored. For you youngsters there was a time when they didn't know where the other side of the landmass was.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

We have a problem like that in Canada:

One of our regions in the middle claims to be the West. We even point out "uh, there's lots more West than you, just over those mountains". I think the Flatlanders get nervous when the land curls up, though.

Anyway, our actual West holds a number of opinions that don't match that from those who claim to be us. Like, the idea that they're the West is far from the only bizarre notion they have.

We don't have a solution. Were labeling it Flatlander Dementia. It's somehow related to fracking.

I guess I'm saying, let me know what you come up with.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Remember how the Atlanta Braves and Cincinnati Reds were in the Western Division of the National League? I remember it sticking out like a sore thumb. Same division teams, ATL vs LA or SD or SF on opposite ends of four, count 'em, four timezones.

EDIT: Then the Chicago Cubs were on the Eastern Division of the National League, while the White Sox were on the Western Division of the American.

[–] austinfloyd@ttrpg.network 3 points 1 day ago

It was really strange. Thankfully things were slightly better by the 90s when the central division was added, but that still had weird groupings like Houston/Pittsburgh (or Miami/Montreal).

[–] julysfire@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Minus Iowa and Missouri, "Great Lakes Region".

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I grew up in California, I remember being surprised when I learned there are actually four timezones in the U.S. Because, on TV they never mentioned Mountain Time, I guess since relatively few people live there, and they were just bundled in with one of the other zones? Did Mountain Zone get TV shows at Pacific time, or Central time?

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

Six time zones. We also have Alaska and Hawaii.

[–] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

They weren't bundled in. We just had to do the math ourselves, heh

7/6 central meant 5 in Mountain time.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

narrator: "eight. seven central and mountain"

program starts at 8pm on the coasts, 7pm in central and mountain. so airs at the same time for the eastern half of the country, is delayed an hour for mountain, and two more hours for the west coast.

[–] Stillwater@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago

I wonder how it would look in one of those maps that are stretched by population. Since the population density is so low between the Mississippi and the west coast, it might actually be mid...west

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago

So the "middle" is like, West Virginia?

[–] faltryka@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah as a Kansan I always just assumed I was Midwest since… well… I’m as mid as it gets…

I recognize that I’m Central and not west though , feels like Midwest should really be Colorado/Nevada etc. Certainly doesn’t make any sense for those northeastern states to be called Midwest though.

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[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago
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