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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 18 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Clearly you don't understand how digital electronics work.

It's magic. This is well known.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Stones are inscribed and infused with anima. Sounds like magic.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 points 9 hours ago

And that's just one example of it.

You have to use the right stones and the right element of anima. Each of these stones is then etched into a complex rune stored in a box. The box itself has identifiers that allow us to know the kind of spell that is inscribed.

So long as you provide the correct amount of spell components, in the correct arrangement, the spell will have some desired effect. But, as all magic happens to be influenced by unknown forces, the smallest imperfection in preparation can affect the spell. Most of the time? The spell just doesn't work. Occasionally, you'll get an entirely unexpected result. But improper casting of the spell can cause the glyphs in the rune to do something we can't observe. The box ruptures. Magic smoke comes out. The particular preparation of the rune will never work again - except for when the glyphs alter the spell and does work for a different result.

This works it's way up. "Circuit diagrams." "Circuit layouts." "Machine code." "Software."

It's an entire discipline focused on magic. Electronic and Computer Engineering. Solid State Physics and Chemistry. Quantum Mechanics. It sounds like science, but don't be fooled. Anyone with expertise in the field knows and understands, it's purely magic.

[–] sensualsunset@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

traditional ecological knowledge has been orally peer reviewed for thousands of years, and it is becoming more integrated into the scientific method. there is a lot of spirituality and moral teachings in the oral history. That doesn't make it less of a scientific approach. source: spending time in indigenous governed communities alongside government scientists

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 11 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

I disagree. I know plenty of people doing science who are religious. All the ones I know are credible and do good work. I mean even Einstein was religious.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 26 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That’s why results have to be replicable. They’re credible to speak on their works which can be verified without biases or pretexts.

[–] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 10 points 18 hours ago

This is the strength of the scientific method. It's using instrumental data, independent from the human.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 22 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

even Einstein was religious.

No he wasn't. When Einstein used the term god it was not as in a deity but a metaphor for how the universe works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_philosophical_views_of_Albert_Einstein

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

Religion is a metaphor that's how most people view it. Plus given the distinct lack of information for or against the scientific method would indicate that the existence of god is unknowable at this given time.

[–] lautre@jlai.lu 9 points 19 hours ago

The physicist who first theorized the big bang in 1931 : Georges Lemaitre, was a Catholic priest.

The founder of the science of genetics, Gregor Mendel, was a Catholic abbot.

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 19 hours ago

No, he wasn't

This is constantly being trotted out, but he was an atheist

[–] Outwit1294 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

This is a very stupid way to think. Only religion deals in absolutes. A person can be be a credible scientist and religious, both are mutually exclusive.

[–] Rin@lemm.ee 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They're credible in my eyes if their results are reproducable. I don't care what they believe.

[–] Outwit1294 3 points 4 hours ago

This is how it should be.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Therapist: You know, when you drink or use drugs, it is a ceremony? Let me explain this to you. . . . You step up to the bar, leave your token just like when you go to a medicine person . . . , and request the kind of medicine you want. . . . Then you proceed to drink. . . . You have completed your ceremony. Now, the contract is in place. The medicine will give you what you want. It will keep its part of the bargain. Now it will be up to you to fulfill your part.

Not surprisingly, the gravity of the situation for the patient begins to settle in:

Patient: It sounds really serious when you talk about it like that. It sounds hopeless. I mean I already did these ceremonies to the spirit of alcohol. I can’t undo that. What do I do?
Therapist: There are ways. In the spirit world, it’s all about etiquette and manners. So far, you have forgotten these. All traditions have manners when it comes to dealing with these forces.

As an example, Duran colloquially recounts the story of Christ healing the Gerasene demoniac, emphasizing that a “deal” was struck enabling the spirits to enter a nearby herd of swine. Thus, Duran reassures the patient, referencing no less an authority than Christ Himself, that “deals” can be made in the spiritual realm.
Spiritual transactions, of course, require ritual accommodations. It has already been noted that Duran sometimes burns “smudge” during his therapeutic sessions, but beyond this he also readily incorporates prayer, offerings, and “power objects” or “fetishes” in explicit recognition that “therapy is a ceremony” (p. 42):

Therapist: Since you want to let go of the spirit of alcohol, you need to talk to it and ask what it wants in exchange for your spirit. I’m sure you can work out a deal. [Duran reaches for a “fetish” resembling a bottle of cheap “Dark Eyes” vodka.] Here is my friend. We can talk to it now. . . . Dark Eyes is already wondering if you’re going to have manners. You know as part of your Step 4 through Step 8 [in AA] that you also need to make amends to the medicine here.
Patient: How do I do that? What do I say?
Therapist: When you make an offering, you know what to do. You can offer tobacco, cornmeal, food, water, and such. It’s the intent that is important, and the spirit of alcohol will recognize the honesty of your spirit as you go into this new way of relating with awareness.
Patient: I don’t have anything on me to give now.
Therapist: Man, what kinda Indian are you? You’re out there in the world with no protection

Thus, Duran facilitates the direct and overt communication between patient and spirit by retrieving the fetish and inviting communication “to get the patient to relate to the energy of alcohol and addiction in a mindful way . . . as part of the ongoing relationship to the spirit of alcohol” (p. 72).
Finally, Duran procures some cornmeal or tobacco from his stash so that the patient can offer this to the fetish “with the intent that the spirit of alcohol will begin to relate to his spirit in a respectful fashion” (p. 73). The patient makes his offering and announces the following:

Patient: Something happened when I did that. It’s as if the spirit recognized me. That is really something. Can’t believe that no one has ever talked about this. Except one of my grandmas once said something about this spirit stuff, but at the time I thought she was just talking old crazy stuff.
Therapist: Yes, this knowledge is older than dirt. All of our grandmas knew this. We’ve just forgotten the way. This brings us back to the “Good Red Road.”

Now that the patient has reconceptualized his problem with alcohol by virtue of the “decolonization” process facilitated in the preceding therapeutic interactions, a renewed relationship to himself, his community, and his cultural heritage will together support a renewed relationship to alcohol. In the end, beyond merely recovering from addiction, it is Duran’s hope that such patients will experience a “deeper healing of the spirit” (p. 18) involving “an existential reconnection with who they are as a Native person” (p. 66). Perhaps even more significantly, according to Duran, such patients “restore their humanity in a way that is harmonious with natural laws” (p. 14).


Gone, J. P. (2010). Psychotherapy and Traditional Healing for American Indians: Exploring the Prospects for Therapeutic Integration. The Counseling Psychologist, 38(2), 166-235. https://doi.org/10.1177/0011000008330831

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

I never did like that one ep of House MD. Same reason I think DP9 was trash. You just don't do that crap man.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

What's with all the fighting over supernatural vs science lately? First of all, science is a process of discovery, not a thing. Scientists are the people discovering (or not).

Is this super natural?

No, we're not referring to your beloved Atari Pong paddles -- we're talking about your brain. The EPOC uses a headset that actually picks up on your brain waves. These brain waves can tell the system what you want to do in your virtual reality. In other words, you think "lift," and a virtual rock actually levitates on the screen.

How the Emotiv EPOC Works

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Lately? You mean, like, since the dawn of recorded history? Because I suppose on a geological scale, you could call that "lately."

Also, in response to the rest of your comment, what?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Is it supernatural to be able to read people's minds with a video game?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

In the example given, no. The science of it is well understood.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

No. Absolutely not in the least, so long as it is actually occurring. An inability to understand a phenomenon doesn’t transform it into magic. The supernatural is mutually exclusive to what is real, and what is real is discovered and understood via science.

[–] FRYD@sh.itjust.works -4 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Some people seem to like using “science” as a counter religion. Instead of being smug about believing in a god, they’re just smug about how much they don’t believe in one.

It does nothing but divide people more and I’ve honestly started questioning whether it’s all good faith or some kind of psy-op to divide the left a bit more.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

It's not a psy-op, this has been going on for as long as I can remember. If anything, it's regaining the traction it once had before the atheist community imploded with sexism and large taking heads fell out of favor.

Some people seem to like using “science” as a counter religion

But it is a counter to religion at the most fundamental level: The scientific method sets out to find answers and the religious have answers and don't care to investigate. One is based on confidence (belief based on previous evidence) and the other in faith (belief without evidence). And I could go on. The two are irreconcilable unless you're willing to suspend your beliefs when dealing with one or the other, which is precisely what religious scientists do.

[–] FRYD@sh.itjust.works -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It is not a “counter to religion”. Religion and science are both ways to find explanations for things, but they’re not a binary nor even on the same spectrum. They both have aspects to them with no parallel from the other. Science doesn’t define morality and religion doesn’t engineer buildings for example.

I said “counter religion” because people treat it like a stand in for religion. Science fundamentally doesn’t declare truth. Scientific theories can and have been wrong, yet some people act as though it’s unquestionable and anything not scientifically proven isn’t true. Those people also tend to really identify with believing they’re right, almost exactly like any smug religious person.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

I do mean that science is a direct counter to religion and without having to treat it as a religion. But if anyone is treating science as a religion they don't fundamentally understand science. The only way science can replace religion afaik is in the feeling of awe and wonder that it inspires. We have studies of that.

Science fundamentally doesn’t declare truth.

But it does, and it goes beyond that: it makes predictions. That's the real power of science. Without having an accurate model of reality you can't make an informed prediction, which means the majority of its proposals must be grounded in fundamental truths about the world. Also, don't forget science is integrative unlike religion, meaning a lot of scientific principles in one area will inevitably pop up in other areas without conflict.

yet some people act as though it’s unquestionable and anything not scientifically proven isn’t true

I've yet to meet someone like that. Are you sure you're not misinterpreting their stance? I can think of times when I was in that position and the other person thought I was being a scientific zealot simply because I wasn't allowing them to use a weak justification for their point, which is fair if you're claiming things without evidence.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works -4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

My partner and I were just discussing that. What is the end game on this? They're using people's thoughts to control video games, that's pretty fucking cool, but also something that is considered woo. I don't really care in the end, but they sure are downvoting the shit out of it.

Edit: Before you're downvotes start showering in, I agree with you that it's probably meant to divide. I was sort of venting at you. Sorry about that.