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As tensions escalate between California and the Trump administration over immigration, another potential battlefront is emerging over taxes.

The spat began with reports that the Trump administration is considering cutting funding for California's university system, the largest higher education system in the nation with about 12% of all U.S. enrolled students.

In response, Gov. Gavin Newsom wrote Friday afternoon in a social media post that California provides about $80 billion more in taxes to the federal government than it receives in return.

"Maybe it's time to cut that off, @realDonaldTrump," Newsom said.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is no way Newsom has this much balls. There is no way he could possible be this based.

Right? Golly, I hope he proves me wrong.

[–] dzso@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I barely know anything about Newsom's track record, but based on the last few months dude has the biggest balls I've seen on any US politician in a long time.

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[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't like Gavin Newsom, but I really hope he does this. It would be so funny 🥲

[–] A_cook_not_a_chef@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

I won't be holding my breath, but it would be hilarious.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago

I'd definently like him a lot more if he did

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Frankly I’d be surprised if anyone even does their taxes in this next cycle. Give dumpster nothing. Cut him off. Let congress figure out how their gonna pay the military and ICE and golf with their own dime to keep this shit up.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Most people have their federal tax withheld by their employers and do their taxes in order to get back their overpayment. Are we all going to not do our taxes and leave that overpayment in the government's coffers? Are employers going to stop doing the withholding? Neither scenario is very likely.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Go to HR. Ask for a W-4, change withholding to $0.

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[–] Foni@lemmy.zip 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I would like to leave this here as a warning, because it seems relevant to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

While I agree, I think that's a better comparison to the LA protests and the National Guard being called in. An entire state government "going rogue" (and the support that they may or may not have from the other states) is in a whole other class, especially when you consider the legal framework that separates the powers of the state from the federal government. It's closer to Brexit than anything else, imo, but even that doesn't truly match up with the intricacies of the power struggle since the members of the EU have their own militaries instead of a unified military under the governance of a body separate from its member countries.

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My guess is that Newsom’s only angle would be to say “on X date, all state employee income tax withholdings will go into escrow.” Thats about a quarter million employees out of 20m people filing for taxes in CA.

Then the state would have to start coding and integrating that new system which - would be a HUGE pain in the ass. And while that was happening, this would likely be getting shut down by the SCOTUS.

Not trying to be a Debby downer for people that want to stick it to Trump. At first glance, it looks like leverage, but when you look closer, you see that Newsom can only control a small piece of the pie.

[–] transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 32 points 1 week ago (4 children)

As Trump has shown, legality doesn't matter if you can drag out the legislative process long enough. Clearly, California withholding taxes will be struck down by the courts, but the damage will be done if it can be dragged out long enough to disrupt the bond market even further than Taco already has.

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[–] Bonus@piefed.social 18 points 1 week ago

Let's Fucking Do This

[–] itisileclerk@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago

Trumptard is really really really really trying to start a civil war. Amazing :/

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[–] MyOpinion 15 points 1 week ago

Not one more penny to these Nazis.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (42 children)
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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The state government isn't involved with collecting federal taxes, so how could this be done?

[–] brandon@piefed.social 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't know how they could implement this across the private sector, but the State of California has a quarter million employees for which they could probably stop sending tax withholdings to the feds.

According to this random site I found Googling, it's around $230M every month.

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[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

How much does the state government of California actually pay to the federal government? When we hear these things about states that pay more in federal taxes than they receive aren't we normally talking about the individuals and businesses filing their federal taxes and then some of that getting back to the state? Most of this isn't State money going to the feds. It's the state money of the individuals within the state sending in money.

What taxes is the state collecting and then sending to the feds? At the state stops paying but the individuals keep paying then doesn't really make any difference? Are individuals going to risk going to prison for federal tax evasion?

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