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Just 3, not bad for the dems. ALthough to be fair its only early June.
So close to actually changing and they throw it away because old fuckers can't stand not being narcissistic assholes.
his chances of raising money and looking like a leader
Note that raising money is the first thing mentioned.
And note that winning elections isn't mentioned at all.
Which neatly sums up what's wrong with the DNC.
Full quote
“I’ll be very honest with you, for the first time in my 100 days on this job … the other night I said to myself for the first time, I don’t know if I wanna do this anymore,” he said in a May 15 Zoom meeting of DNC officers.
“No one knows who the hell I am, right? I’m trying to get my sea legs underneath of me and actually develop any amount of credibility so I can go out there and raise the money and do the job I need to to put ourselves in a position to win,” Martin said, addressing Hogg. “And again, I don’t think you intended this, but you essentially destroyed any chance I have to show the leadership that I need to. So it’s really frustrating.”
It really is frustrating that he thinks the only way to position to win is cash in the bank and no question of the effectiveness of members of the party. Especially when we have such a limited number of positions we can fill.
I think he just liked having an easy answer to why it's not going well in the existence of David Hogg.
me me me me me me me me me me
Is all I could read
I'll take the downvotes to point out the political reality:
Raising money is literally the DNC's primary role. It is a coalition of people raising money collaboratively, with the understanding that agreeing to the party policy as a group is a requirement for being a member of the group.
So when he says that Hogg is stealing his spotlight and making it difficult to build the network he needs to raise funds, he's not out of line.
He is INCREDIBLY shortsighted in failing to connect "supporting good candidates" with "ability to secure votes" which itself is a necessary component of long term fundraising. But let's call a spade a spade: raising money is what the DNC is all about, by definition, and without those funds they have no purpose, let alone ability to promote candidates
Its what the modern DNC does. Historically they did a lot more, like developing the party platform, getting out the vote, campaign support, party leadership, candidate development and support (exactly what Hogg was doing), conventions. But besides that one convention, all they do anymore is fundraising. And its all Ken Martin will do too. Ever hear about the democratic party platform anymore? No, because it doesnt exist anymore.
With David Hogg with the DNC, I was considering donating, but I won't now.
Hogg gets it. The Democratic party needs to defund the spineless weenies like Schumer, and focus on young, strong candidates that are willing to stand up to the traitors.
Wherever Hogg lands, that's where I'll be deploying my money.
I don't think we really disagree given what you said about shortsightedness, but I feel like ranting.
The focus on corporate lobbyist and billionaire donations is the cancer that will kill the country. Fundraising through grassroots outreach and organization can be much more effective than spending billions in blood money on TV ads and landline phonecalls, but it requires a platform that taps into the zeitgeist and galvanizes the public to act. In our current moment that means earnestly fighting for social programs, civil rights, and democratic governance - all of which conflicts with the interests of the ruling class.
The DNC is too far gone at this point. They've ignored the popular will for so long and embraced corporatism so nakedly that they enabled fascism by granting its veneer of populism more luster.
They squandered any good will they could have gained from wholeheartedly supporting popular policies and any trust they could have engendered with a consistently progressive track record. They lost any respect they could have earned from fighting tooth and nail against oppression, and any momentum they could have raised within the institution from fostering a new generation of energetic idealists. Take all that away and what you're left with is a staid orthodoxy that is begrudged, distrusted, spineless, and out of touch.
The only thing they have to fall back on at this point is 'not being as bad as overt fascists' and 'being reasonably complement stewards of an economy designed to funnel money to the wealthy'. We've seen that this is not a good strategy for winning elections, but does a hell of a job at driving voter apathy, powerlessness, and resentment.
/rant
The irony that they've made money on his trauma for years
The only messages I got as a registered Dem in NY was requests for money. It was the only way to defeat Trump according to whatever intern was setting up the mass text.
Fucking pathetic.
The way you achieve more is typically showing up at your local Democratic Club meetings or county party meetings.
I registered WFP and while they also ask for money persistently they also advocate action which is nice.
We truly are in the era of Showbiz Politics.
When a government can no longer serve you it will turn to spectacle to keep you from noticing
Hogg, who has levied harsh criticism over elderly incumbent Democrats’ refusals to step down from their offices,
The concept that a Democrat in office who refuse to step down, is almost never challenged because nobody want to fund it, is undemocratic and counterproductive.
David Hogg is absolutely on the right side here. USA is a deeply flawed democracy, and it starts already within the parties, and it should be pretty self evident that it needs reform.
It's crazy the DNC goes against him because of "tradition" when he is so clearly right. They had 2 major presidential losses to GOP because of similar stupidity.
If the "Democrats" aren't even democratic, what hope is there for democracy in USA?
Tradition is inherently conservative, not progression. Just saying.
Very true.
It's wild that they view their age and incumbency issues as unrelated to their performance in the past decade.
As, apparently, doing and saying nothing to upset status quo is the standard of the current party and has been said so by new Chair Ken Martin.
It literally means no push for better candidates that better represent the people for one thing and doesn't even begin to get into the number of DNC party members who have died in office in the past years of age related issues.
Democrats have become the party of "young 74 cancer notwithstanding" that gets second cancer four months later
It's like what happened with Bernie, but even dumber.
I worked in politics in DC for several years and I can say with no uncertainty that the DNC and Center for American Progress could disappear and no typical voter would care. Just useless institutions that don’t even do their useless jobs well. Neera Tanden is head of CAP again and is going to be fucking useless again.
Hogg's right, but his execution was abysmal.
Not really
We've seen what it looks like when the DNC gets to approach leftist policies and ideology on their own terms.
They run Bernie Sanders against 8 other progressives to dilute his vote in the first and only DNC primary that allowed progressives to run.
The DNC is only interested in pretending they support leftist policy to get leftist votes. They have no intention of letting the policies pass or supporting them.
The only way to get the Democrats to support leftist policy is by tricking them.
Yeah I've listened to a few of his videos. He's extremely off putting and unlikable. But he's also 100% right. It sucks that he isn't even slightly charismatic. I mean.. knowing his history I can forgive him for that without question. But still - a big part of politics is building alliances and he will never, EVER be able to do that on anything but an ideological position and that's not a recipe for success.
He’s extremely off putting and unlikable.
I mean, I don't think thats even relevant and I think people that use that as a basis for decision making should be ignored. That level of analysis is basically hand wringing, and I could really give a shit if any one like the presentation. If the critique or analysis is correct, too fucking bad if you don't like the presentation.
Hogg started by saying the right thing. Conservative/ Blue-Dog/ Blue-MAGA Democrats need to be primaried and ejected from the party.
But when pushed, Hogg's actual analysis was completely lacking. He couldn't answer "Which Democrats should be primaried?" or "Who are the good Democrats are?". When he did answer those question, the answers were fucking stupid and he was obviously a bit shook and hadn't thought through what the answer should be.
He should have taken the message to some friendly leftist media outlets and fucking work shopped it so he was more prepared to answer those really obvious question.
He couldn't answer "Which Democrats should be primaried?" or "Who are the good Democrats are?". When he did answer those question, the answers were fucking stupid
Exactly. He pointed to Pelosi as an example of the kind of Democrat he wanted to keep, rather than one of the principal architects of Democratic failure. David Hogg is progressive lipstick on the same old pig.
I think someone being likable is kind of important when they need votes.
I’ll never run because nobody will vote for me because I’m an ugly asshole, regardless of my ideas.
I guess my question is, whether you can say Chuck Schumer needs to be primaried within a party who elected him as minority leader?
There is of course actually better options as well but they too have friends and calling out names with their resources and lack of conviction of other party members it paints a target on you.
Blue conservatives have their own friends and he did not. I'd probably stumble my way through as well trying to find a path forward. I think the problem is there is none while the culture is so against even treating it like a proper job instead of a club.
He wasn't prepared but I think the end result would likely be the same.
they elected him primary leader and then he shat the bed very publicly. Now the party is very publicly breaking with their support for Schumer and using him as a prop for how they've changed. (spoiler alert though, they havent changed).
Chuck Schumer needs to be primaried within a party who elected him as minority leader?
Chuck Schumer ABSOLUTELY needs to be primaried, and if Hogg had been able to say that, citing the basically infinite series of failures that Schumer has represented, Hogg would have won this fight.
This is politics; Democrats are literally the least popular they've ever been, and Hogg was willing to speak to that: thats how you make political hay. What Hogg did was the first step in the dance you do to change peoples minds. It was politically savvy to pick up on that and move on it. But he had no follow up. He got a great first punch in, and had no gas for round two. He fumbled on the second step.
Biden's brain was melting live on stage and it was still considered extremely risky to call for him to step aside. Schumer is just bad at his job and failing to meet the moment. There's no way Hogg comes away better both by publicly declaring his enemies list and including one of the most powerful members of the party on it.
Biden’s brain was melting live on stage and it was still considered extremely risky to call for him to step aside.
By idiots. The people hand wringing the risk were, and are, idiots.
Schumer is just bad at his job and failing to meet the moment. There’s no way Hogg comes away better both by publicly declaring his enemies list and including one of the most powerful members of the party on it.
I think you have no conception of what works in terms of politics.
Lol, sure bud. Likewise.
Its self evident dude. People defending Biden staying in the race were fucking idiots. They've been demonstrated to be wrong. Horribly wrong. Handing the country to fascism wrong. The people saying that Biden needed to step down were right.
Listen to the people who got it right. Use their frameworks for evaluating reality.
IF you continue using the same broken/ wrong frame work for thinking these things through, you are just repeating their same idiotic approach.
Being idiots and being wrong doesn't mean you lose fights. If it wasn't risky to attack Biden, despite the blatantly obvious need to get him out, it wouldn't have taken weeks of nobodies trickling out in opposition before anyone of significance took the step.
Hogg being more directly hostile to centers of power in the Democratic party would absolutely not have made him win the fight to keep his position in the power structure. Thinking that's how politics works is just delusional.
Your literal response is why I think you have no conception of what works in terms of politics. Your framework was WRONG. It didn't predict things. The people you rely on for their "popular wisdon": They GOT IT WRONG!!
If you keep just reusing the same mental frameworks when they don't predict future states of the world, NO ONE, should listen to you. If your mind doesn't agree with the evidence, you need to change your mind dude.
You downvote me for agreeing that Schumer needed to be primaried but noting the nuance of the infighting that would happen from it? You even responded so it added to the conversation. Sorry just seems odd use of that.
I think the people would agree and he would win the appearance game but I think the party would close ranks hard on anyone saying anything against Schumer and he would be ousted completely and smeared.
I agree he didn't have a second punch ready I just think no second punch would be big enough yet. Wish it was more of a fight but the DNC operates as unit when it's their own money and appearance on the line.