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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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Simplicius, who publishes on Substack. Like others, his political analysis should be soundly ignored, but his knowledge of weaponry and military strategy is generally quite good.
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https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
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[–] ffmpreg@hexbear.net 50 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

chat is this true? someone get the apology form

[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 41 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Why are his old tweets formatted like this? Its strange but endearing.

[–] la_tasalana_intissari_mata@hexbear.net 32 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I guess he was trying to be hip

[–] LoveYourself@hexbear.net 26 points 19 hours ago

May Allah swt prolong his life

[–] GaveUp@hexbear.net 17 points 19 hours ago

Chat gpt didn't come out yet

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[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 71 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

A month ago, I posted about the China-Iran rail corridor being put into operation. As part of the Silk Road Railway, this corridor not only further integrates Iran into the Belt and Road Initiative, but also allows them to export oil to China, and for China to export goods to Europe while having the ability to bypass US Navy blockades. I'd imagine this would have set off alarm bells in the US, as they've been clear about wanting to control shipping routes in their efforts to contain China.

Some people on here were convinced that with this new rail corridor in operation, the next US action would take place in either Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, or Uzbekistan, which are all situated along this railway. What if they decided that with this new development, they couldn't wait any longer, and chose to accelerate their regime change plans for Iran instead?

In March, US intelligence agencies openly admitted that Iran was not building a nuclear weapon, and right up until the moment this rail corridor was put into operation in May, Trump seemed to concur. Now Trump is claiming the total opposite, that Iran has been building nuclear weapons, and that any prior intelligence should be ignored. Of course, this could be considered standard behavior for Trump, but maybe the ghouls in control had to quickly shift gears.

[–] MaoShanDong@hexbear.net 41 points 20 hours ago

I completely agree. I've made several comments about just how time sensitive everything is in terms of what both sides of the current conflict would want to achieve. Arguably this applies to American current interests as a whole. It's no coincidence that the 2027 deadline for Xi's imminent invasion of Taiwan keeps being brought up as if its something they PRC has actually ever stated.

There is undoubtedly a sense of urgency within the current western leadership. As much as people have lamented at the quagmire that Ukraine has become for Russia I would say that it is just as much of a quagmire for the US in terms of materiel which is why it has become so eager to throw the issue of Zelensky onto the Europeans.

Likewise the recent development of the BRI especially in Iran's case has twofold implications that I think would have accelerated the US in terms of their decisions. Firstly, with the development of the landbased rail link, the near nuclear option of decimating regional trade through the blockade of the sea of Hormuz and the destruction of regional oil and gas infrastructure has less of an effect on Iran as a whole. Secondly, with more economic linkage between Iran and the East, it would likely be only a matter of time before further reorientation occurred. The US could always attempt some level of soft coup using the entrenched assets but this comes with its own set of risks.

So it makes total sense for them to suddenly understand the risks they were dealing with. In their calculus striking while the rail link is still relatively new and things have yet to establish themselves fully was probably the best course of action. The issue was of course, they heavily underestimated the resolve of the Iranians and so now are forced to go all in.

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 54 points 20 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 28 points 20 hours ago

we need matpat to send him a deltarune copy

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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 63 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

Staging for a potential B-2 Spirit stealth bomber strike on the Fordow underground nuclear facility? Two potential developments in this regard.

As I've said many times, my theory is that if the B-2s do strike Fordow, they'll fly out from Whiteman and over the Pacific and Australia to do so, not over the Atlantic as many suggest. They might also be forward deployed to Diego Garcia as a final public signalling towards Iran. There have been two developments in the last two hours to suggest that the assets for such a plan are being put in place. Mid air refueling aircraft have been moved to California and over the Pacific, and Australia has announced the closure of it's embassy in Tehran.

Two C-17 Globemaster transport in and out of Whiteman, one heading west now.

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 28 points 19 hours ago

Need you to know I love you

[–] WrongOnTheInternet@hexbear.net 25 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

they'll fly out from Whiteman and over the Pacific and Australia

They could also be forward deployed at the Australian airbase near Darwin they reportedly used for the October 2024 Yemen strikes

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 18 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Pretty sure Diego Garcia was used for the Yemen strikes, not Darwin. They were even caught loading up the B-2s with bombs on the satellite imagery of Diego Garcia.

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[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 61 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

NBC Reports that Israeli Defenses are Rapidly Becoming Depleted

NBC News reports that only 65% of Iranian missiles were intercepted by Israel’s Iron Dome in the past 24 hours — a sharp drop from nearly 90% the day before, according to a senior Israeli intelligence source.

The official, still receiving government briefings, noted Iran’s newer, faster missiles are cutting Israel’s response time in half, from 10–11 minutes down to just 6–7. These missiles are also more precise, with advanced guidance systems.

Despite Israeli claims of success, the official admitted Iran retains large missile stockpiles and the capability for sustained strikes, warning against underestimating Tehran’s “strategic patience” and resolve.

Talk of Iran’s collapse is premature, the source said: “They have both the will and the means to continue.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/live-blog/live-updates-israel-iran-reactor-hospital-rcna213904

[–] LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml 39 points 20 hours ago

MSM switching from "the enemy is weak and ineffectual" mode to consent-manufacturing mode.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 33 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

World's first flying robot took off in Italy - Prensa Latina

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Rome, Jun 19 (Prensa Latina) The world's first flying robot, called iRonCub3, took off in Italy, marking a milestone in the country's scientific and technological development, according to a press release.

A note published on the news site of the television channel Rai News points out that this success was the result of a project initiated two years ago by a research team of the Artificial and Mechanical Intelligence Laboratory (AMI) of the Italian Institute of Technology (IIT), based in the northern city of Genoa.

“It was a radically different research from traditional humanoid robotics,” said Daniele Pucci, director of the AMI and main creator of iRonCub3, who indicated that the robot, in this first test, managed to fly at a height of 50 centimeters, which represents a significant advance.

The work also involved experts from the Aerodynamics Laboratory of the Politecnico di Milano, where the wind tunnel tests were carried out, as well as from Stanford University, where deep learning algorithms were used to identify aerodynamic models.

The iRonCub3 robot has a body and face similar to those of a child, weighing about 70 kilograms, and is equipped with four jet engines, two mounted on its arms and two in a backpack on its back.

The incorporation of these motors required additional modifications to the robot's physical structure, including titanium elements that act as a backbone and heat-resistant covers, since the temperature of the exhaust gases can reach 800 degrees.

“Our models include neural networks trained with simulated and experimental data, and are integrated into the robot's control software architecture to ensure stable flight,” said expert Antonello Paolino, one of the main drivers of this project.

In this sense, “it has control systems based on Artificial Intelligence that allow it to fly managing turbulent air flows at high speed and> extreme temperatures”, said Paolino, who considered that “the results of the research can be transferred to other robots with unconventional morphologies”.

These flying robots could be used in the exploration of extreme environments, such as space, deep sea and volcanoes, as well as for monitoring complex infrastructure, including dams, power plants and bridges, and in environmental or industrial crisis intervention,

Among the entities most interested in this equipment are space agencies, energy industries, healthcare systems and law enforcement.

In the coming months, experiments with the prototype will continue in a wider area, thanks to the collaboration with Genoa Airport, which will provide a specific area to be installed and equipped by IIT, in compliance with all safety standards, the source adds.

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[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 62 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Have we reached the "selling military ranks" stage of imperial decline?

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 27 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Hope we reach the "court eunuchs assassinate the current sovereign to put an easily manipulated 7-year old heir apparent to the throne" stage of imperial decline.

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 25 points 20 hours ago

lathe-of-heaven Musk trys to assassinate trump and install his son Xx1337H4X0RxX in the oval office

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[–] MrPiss@hexbear.net 46 points 22 hours ago

Getting to the point where tech bros are handed out bullshit military ranks like Israeli soldiers just makes sense. They're not a junior web developer, they're actually brigadier general of the home page.

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 82 points 23 hours ago (16 children)

Mexico's President has 82.5 percent approval rating - Prensa Latina

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Mexico City, Jun 19 (Prensa Latina) Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum has 82.5 percent citizen approval, according to the results of a FactoMétrica poll released today.

According to the survey, carried out from the 14th to the 18th of this month by telephone, only 17.5 percent of those consulted considered the performance of the president, the first woman to hold the office in this country, as bad or very bad.

The opinion poll revealed that 44.9 percent of those surveyed rated the chief executive as very close to the concerns of the people; 28.2 percent as somewhat close; 15.1 percent as not very close and 11.8 percent as not at all close.

Likewise, 79.5 percent defined her as an honest person compared to 20.5 percent who do not perceive her as such.

Meanwhile, 74.8 percent of the citizens considered the dignitary to have the capacity to make the right decisions in times of crisis, nine percent said that it depended on the situation, and 16.2 responded negatively.

When asked about trust in Sheinbaum to adequately represent Mexico in the international arena, 65.3 percent said they trusted her a lot, 13.8 somewhat, 7.7 a little and 13.2 not at all.

Regarding the opinion analysis on the government's work in different areas, 77.6 percent expressed a positive opinion about the fight against poverty and 63.8 expressed the same opinion regarding the work in the area of security.

The study included 1,200 people over 18 years of age and the type of sampling was probabilistic, randomly stratified by geography, gender and age groups, in order to guarantee adequate national representativeness.

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 56 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Remember when Bukele asked Grokk who the most popular leader in Latin America was and it said that ~~this has nothing to do with the “white genocide” in South Africa~~ the most popular leader in Latin America was Claudia Sheinbaum?

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[–] Socialism_Is_The_Alternative@hexbear.net 44 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Some Operation True Promise III videos for today.

SouthFront’s big collection of videos from today (including the Tel Aviv strikes and aftermath videos): https://southfront.press/dozens-of-israelis-wounded-in-devastating-iranian-missile-strike-videos/

Iranian missile forces launching another wave: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/19/1447052.html

Iranian missile scores direct hit in downtown Tel Aviv: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/19/1446218.html

Infighting has broken out amongst Zionist officials: https://news-pravda.com/usa/2025/06/19/1447847.html

And today’s bonus video… ;-) https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/20/1447939.html

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[–] Tervell@hexbear.net 78 points 1 day ago (5 children)

https://xcancel.com/MazMHussain/status/1935775987171483652

Israeli officials appear to be editing contrast and angle on images of their airstrikes in Iran and posting them on separate days to appear new. The images below clearly show overlapping details with modifications only to image and resolution. There appear to be many cases this.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 70 points 1 day ago (5 children)

NYT - emphasis mine

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu drew blowback in Israel after he lamented the “personal cost” of the war in a television interview at the site of an Iranian missile strike. “Each of us bears a personal cost, and my family has not been exempt,” Netanyahu said. “This is the second time that my son Avner, due to missile threats and rocket fire, has cancelled a wedding.”

The reaction from some Israelis was swift. Gilad Kariv, a member of the Knesset, wrote on X of families “who will now never celebrate the weddings that were once meant to take place.” Yehuda Cohen, the father of an Israeli being held hostage in Gaza, said that not only can his son not get married but “he can’t breathe, he can’t see daylight and has been in danger of death for more than 20 months.”

Avner Netanyahu’s wedding was scheduled to take place in November 2024 but was canceled for security reasons. It had been rescheduled for June 16 but was delayed again after Israel began bombing Iran.

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