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I am sure Zionists are having a normal one with the new Superman movie. (hexbear.net)
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[–] ryepunk@hexbear.net 38 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Redditors never beating the charge of failing media literacy tests repeatedly over and over.

The Reddit post is about one superman Stan who's angry that he saw allusions towards a colonizer destroying a nation of brown people. Basically a self report, he knows it's bad in the movie and can't rationalize how superman would deal with Israel in the realm world.

The others on the thread are scolding the op for missing how the movie isn't making obvious allusions to Israel so therefore it isn't making it to anything. Except maybe Russia Ukraine? They then go on to say how it's andor all over again where everyone said that was related to Israel Palestine and obviously it was just about the French and Nazis and therefore there was no possible connection to Israel at all. These people should only be allowed to watch cartoons for toddlers which they might be able to keep up with.

[–] Sam@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

These people should only be allowed to watch cartoons for toddlers which they might be able to keep up with.

Is that not what Superhero movies are?

[–] ryepunk@hexbear.net 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Given the response, it is apparently too much for the average burgerreich citizen and leaves them angry for reasons they are unwilling to interrogate. The slop must be simpler!

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

Unlimited cocomelon on 1st world

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

even the actual cartoons like the 1990s Batman and the early 2000s Teen Titans have more to say than some of the films.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I recall a funny thing I read on twitter a while back; someone was saying their DM sprung a story on them and over time got frustrated with the players only to cancel the game because he got upset with the players' choices. He'd apparently intended on telling a fantasy version of the birth of Israel and thought the players would side with the zionists. I recall another story that this retelling got someone to share but I can't for the life of me remember what it was unfortunately.

Also ironically Superman would most likely side with Israel in the DC universe; Superman is little more than a shill for the US government and alternate retellings of the DC universe seem to indicate his leanings. During the injustice storyline Superman 'fixes' the Israel-Palestine 'conflict' by telling them that if they didn't fix their issues that he'd fix it himself as if the problem is an arbitrary one that just needs both sides to come to the table (enlightened centrism strikes again). In that same storyline he also stops a drone sent by the US military from killing five civilians (it was sent because there was one target in the area; painfully the movie ups the civilian count to 30 because the average person today is so monstrously brain broken that five civilians isn't considered unacceptable, but 30 might), which means the same crimes happening in the real world are happening in the DC universe and Superman lets it happen. Additionally at one point wonder woman finally takes the gloves off and helps refugees in (Sudan?) kill their oppressors and....okay, fantastic, now go to a country we're at war with and do the same (for heck's sake you're not even American, why should you value US military and be fine with overlooking their crimes?). In a different alternate universe story that takes place further into the future, the government tells superheroes that either they become government employees or they retire, and Superman immediately sides with the US government and enforces their will (literally cutting off green arrow's arm because he refused to bend to the government's will).

I haven't watched this movie but it's easy to expect Superman to be little more than an extension of the government's will; if Superman was real he'd be in Gaza murdering Hamas soldiers and just being very, very concerned about war crimes he sees taking place without actually realizing what the heck is going on or actually realizing he's fighting for the wrong side. I remember reading the plot of the new movie that says Superman fights for truth, justice and the HUMAN way, where originally it's truth, justice and the AMERICAN way (which like.....pick one: either truth and justice, or the American way). Superman may originally have started out as pro-worker, but he's been shifted to be little more than an enforcer of US foreign policy.

[–] wolfinthewoods@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I am a big Superman fan and I can't tell you how wrong this take is. Yes, certain comics portray Superman as friend and believer in the "American Way" and as sometimes ally of the US military. However, those takes are far from the normal status quo. Of course you get particularly liberal-minded writers who frequently use that take. However, those writers are the exception rather than the rule. Hell, the most famous instance of Superman being a government shill came from Frank Miller in The Dark Knight which is such a poor take on Superman as to be parody. Miller famously hates Superman and found a way to character assassinate him and have Batman beat the shit out of him (laughable). Frequently the US government and Superman are at odds with each other and Superman regularly defies them even going so far as to directly stop their actions.

Superman got his start as someone that opposed societal oppression in all it's forms. In one golden age story Superman literally tears down a dilapidated tenement building being run by a slumlord who was extorting his tenants and refusing repairs, finding proper housing for the folks and forcing the slumlord to sell to the city to build something suitable. In another story Superman poses as a miner and goes undercover to expose a ruthless businessman exploiting his workers at the mine.

If Superman existed in the real world he definitely would be horrified at the actions of Israel and I have no doubt he'd step in. That's actually a big point in the movie as he causes an international incident by stepping into stop troops from murdering civilians in a nation that is an obvious stand-in for Israel (it even had it's own completely obvious pastiche of Netanyahu who meets a grisly fate at the end). At the end of the day these are American comics, by writers of various political and social backgrounds that will sometimes use Superman as a tool of patriotism and fundamentally misrepresent the essence of the character. It's going to happen from time to time (pretty sure I just read an issue of Action Comics recently that made me cringe with the writer's sucking-off of the military).

[–] OptimusSubprime@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sorry to be off topic here, but there is a current version of Superman that takes him totally back to his roots of opposition to societal oppression: https://readallcomics.com/category/absolute-superman/

A Krypton stratified by strict class division (the 'S' stands for the worker class, the lowest class on Krypton). Kal-El actually grew up with his birth parents - Kal is about 10 -12 years old when Krypton explodes. Jor-El and Lara both class traitors, exiled from the science class to the worker class and fight for their fellow workers. Once Kal-El reaches Earth he barely spends time with the Kents, while helping workers around the world.

So far, Absolute Superman has been a trip to read.

[–] wolfinthewoods@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

Yes! It's a fantastic series. I especially liked that they had Kal going around the globe and helping out various worker struggles in secret at the beginning of the series. It's my favorite current Superman book right now. I just finished reading the latest issue earlier today. I'm excited to see where they'll take it.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I recognize that Superman had better politics ages ago but as of the last 20-30 years (more so the last 20 I would imagine because of the so called 'war on terror'), has he had good politics or just lib politics? I always got the impression even the DC universe got crafted to support US foreign policy (with nations like Qurac and Bialya which date back to the 80's). One of the few ways I can see the comics avoiding having Superman allow the military to commit war crimes is to just basically pretend the military aren't akin to the real world criminals or simply not talk about their actions at all (except with injustice for example where they talk about the military attempting a drone strike and superman stopping it, which would tell me the regular DC-verse superman allows them to occur). Ultimately with the government's behavior, the DC-verse would have to either pretend it's all not happening or that the military and the politicians in question are cleaner than they really are (so basically a lib portrayal of reality).

The movie however definitely sounds interesting from what you've said, and I can see why the Israeli subreddit is upset with it.

[–] wolfinthewoods@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

The military is usually depicted fairly kid-gloves, but then again you have organizations like Cadmus that are sanctioned by the government to kill or contain metahumans extra-judicially, so the goverment is definitely shown to be doing shady things in the shadows too.

Hmm, really it varies by writer as to how progressive he is politically. Generally his actions reflect his politics as they aren't outright stated. However, he's frequently championing social causes and doing things that help citizens directly but also stand in the way of regressive politicians and business leaders (Luthor being the most prominent of those). Unfortunately due to the majority of writers probably being liberal he doesn't often get quite to socialist Superman as he was in the very beginning. So yes, lib for sure in the tone of the politics that are there. Sadly with big corporations owning these characters the amount of political dialogue allowed is abysmal.

Although, the movie is suprisingly political and makes a comment (albeit in fictional, but easily recognized pastiches) about the Israel conflict and a Superman intervention into such a confrontation. It's refreshing to see. And from what I've heard it's triggering a lot of libs, conservatives and Zionists. Apparently Fox had some particularly vitriolic things to say about the movie's message (um, don't exterminate people indiscriminately I guess).

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Oh, I thought that war was a clear stand-in for Russia invading Ukraine from an average American liberal point of view. And the leader was just a sort of Eastern European old man USSR kinda guy they were going for. But now that I think about it, the victims were pretty Middle Eastern coded, so you may be more right.

[–] wolfinthewoods@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

Exactly, and it was made clear by Luthor's plans to develop the land taken from the Borovians that the leader's goal was one of ethnic cleansing to accomplish getting rid of them and taking their land.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

He'd apparently intended on telling a fantasy version of the birth of Israel and thought the players would side with the zionists. I recall another story that this retelling got someone to share but I can't for the life of me remember what it was unfortunately.

It's not quite magical realm shit, but bad DMs always have a way of trying to railroad their party into thinking and behaving a certain way, and always get mad when the players aren't their little puppets. I don't get it personally, it sounds like they don't want to DM, they want to write a fantasy novel and should just do that instead.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

One of the good things to come out of Frank Miller's Batman was Superman getting called out for being a puppet of the US government. In The Dark Night Returns, Batman goes as far as to build power armor to help him fight and kill Superman.

[–] wolfinthewoods@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago

Written by a man who famously hates the character and used Batman to make a point of making Superman look bad. It's considered to be one of the worst written versions of Superman of all-time by fans. Superman has, in various incarnations, had some associations with the US government, but usually it's been writers shilling or when he was being explicitly written as a flag-waving patriot in the WWII era comics. The vast majority of his existence has been one that is frequently at odds with the military and US government policy. There are still some writers that will pander to the military, but those are few and far in between and always cringe levels of writing.

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

absolute superman is good though

edit: oh wait that's probably only because the government is brainiac

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 43 points 4 days ago

You don't understand, that baby might have had an rpg in it's diaper so that's why I had to shoot it in the face pointblank in it's crib hamas-base

[–] Big_Bob@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I just came home from the cinema.

I hated the movie. The entire movie felt like it was made in AI. The green alien baby is indistinguishable from the average AI slop posted on Facebook.

The unnatural movements, weird expressions and mannerisms of the characters in the movie all scream AI to me.

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 14 points 4 days ago

Agreed. Saw it today, and it’s incredibly unfortunate how you just can’t outrun enshitification

Also don’t care for James Gunn. TBH superhero movies are not for me, though the message was somewhat decent (though the US is a country full of people who don’t care about messages in media)

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

I’m probably just old at this point, but I just don’t like paying money to see CGI fights

Movie had a good message though