"The masses in any given place are generally composed of three parts, the relatively active, the intermediate and the relatively backward. The leaders must therefore be skilled in uniting the small number of active elements around the leadership and must rely on them to raise the level of the intermediate elements and to win over the backward elements." -Mao Tse Tung "Some Questions Concerning Methods of Leadership" (June 1, 1943), Selected Works, Vol. III, p. 118.

Patriotism is a tool Communists can use to bring the backwards masses forward. One doesn't even need to feel the patriotism themselves to see the gains in class consciousness amongst the conservative members of the working class.

You don't have to like the ACP, but it's undialectical to ignore what they actually do

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Patriotism is a tool Communists can use to bring the backwards masses forward.

Mao Zedong was speaking from a colonized country where nationalism and patriotism took the form of a national liberation struggle against colonial forces like the Japanese, British, French, etc.. In the United States, nationalism and patriotism (footnote) is of the same chauvinist settler-colonial variety that we see in Israel, but on a larger scale.

footnote: not grouping this with the internal national liberation struggles of American BIPOC which is separate from US nationalism

You don't have to like the ACP, but it's undialectical to ignore what they actually do

What they actually do is reheat LaRouchite fascism in the microwave and try to sell it to a new generation.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Insane that thinking socalist should be ironically be pro-america to...capture the most disloyal and unrevolutionary sections of the american populace (hog posturing as humble countryfolk).

Why black americans, latinos and native americans would regard america with such high regard that it warrants socialists adopting a false ideal of "america", is something that alludes me. Because Mao or Vietnam did it? newsflash the us is not vietnam or 1930s china.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Wait a minute, I banned you before for being a fascist shitheel

Welps, no need to hear anything else into the bin with you

[–] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Tell me you have no idea what mao is talking about while quoting mao lmfao

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago

ACP is objectively filled with ground beef communists, they may look red on the outside but cut them open and it's just brown to the core.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fascists love to misquote and deliberately misrepresent Mao.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

I swear these people quote Marxist literature just like Chuds quote scripture. It's all cherry picked incoherence.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago

Literally just laundering tailism as progressive.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Hahah, lemme tell you this... there's a difference between nationalism necessarily birthed,

under backdrop of oppressed masses of Imperialism

(eg. Vietnamese nationalism truly developed under France, with the destruction of local Vietnamese feudal economy to pave away for imperial capitalist exploitation of land and labor; to make plantations and industry, dependent on building the French imperial economy)

and one under the backdrop of 'oppressed' Americans wanting their share of the pie; stolen Indigenous land and African slaves

(eg. American nationalism, who wanted independence from Britain, mainly due to the British trying to restrict their land expansion, worries of the British restricting slavery, and overall British empire co-optation of settler-colonial political economy)

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

One of the most eye opening things was reading Zinn and seeing Britain, the OG great Satan, tell the settlers “that’s evil, even for me.”

[–] CorruptedArk@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

Rightfully so imo, the US has committed genocide and slavery on a massive scale and is actively aiding a genocide as we speak

[–] CorruptedArk@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I understand and agree with you

But I don't just pay attention to what a group says, I care about material impact

Organizing labor against the American bourgeois weakens the hold of the American bourgeois, which in turn is good for the nations oppressed by the empire

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

what they actually do

they post on social media

[–] CorruptedArk@hexbear.net -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They also organize irl and do physical work in communities across chapters

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

They do limited mutual aid and charity work with their actual rank and file members while the streamer grifter leadership do shit like this and this and this and doxx/attack their critics just like their LaRouchite forefathers

look at that third video of Jackson Hinkle saying women shouldn't vote unless it is under the authority of a man and tell me that's Communist.

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

the socialism that's possible in the current American context is going to be socialism with burgerland characteristics

it's actually wild this guy isn't smart enough to suggest this in other words than "national socialism"

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[–] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

These opportunists, like many others, fail to educate the advanced masses while throwing re-appropriated bourgeois slogans all around for the sake of general popularity. We should understand the role nationalism plays and not merely claim “its a good tool for them to use against us, but its also a good tool for us.” We

[–] CorruptedArk@hexbear.net -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We can be idealists on this site if we want, but if we're being realistic with ourselves, the socialism that's possible in the current American context is going to be socialism with burgerland characteristics

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You should be agitating for raising consciousness instead of trying to pander to prejudices

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 2 weeks ago

How these guys seem to think we will have any sort of "socialism" when fash are allowed to be loud and proud and white supremacy is actively encouraged is never explained. I know why they don't explain it, but it doesn't explain why they think we are stupid enough to fall for their "Third Way" like this.