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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I've driven a EV as a daily for six years now and while daily range M-F anxiety is mostly not an issue but that one day a month when your spouse tells you there's a last minute change in plans and you're running at half charge because you forgot to plug in at night and hitting a charger that's miles out of the way isn't going to work is a thing.

You're also going to be doing a lot of planning for trips to another city, eating into the day of fun for charging which can be more stressful.

Work trips where you can't get someone to drive you to the airport in your car is always fun.

Don't get me started on road trips, we don't take the electric vehicle because range anxiety is very much a thing when you don't know if a cold front is coming up your ass and you're mid charging stations and debating if you turn on the heat or not (spoilers there was no heat). Add to that, the battery degradation and charging stations being fewer and farther between than gas, that range anxiety will hit you on long trips and not to mention the hours it adds to your trip.

I'm still a proponent of electric cars but range and time are issues still.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Range anxiety isn't even real. The problem is really charging anxiety, and it's entirely solveable.

Let's describe it like this... You're on a road trip, and you realize that you are using more fuel than expected, and you're going to need to put gas in your car in the next 50 miles. No problem, you've been passing gas stations for the the last hour, there is practically two at every exit, and they have their prices up on signs that can be seen for miles around.

Now let's switch over to our EV. Same scenario, you need to charge in the next 50 miles. The most signage I've seen for EV charging is a single "amenities" sign showing available gas stations, and one of them has a small green strip on the bottom that said "EV charging". No info on how much it is going to cost. No info on what plugs are available. Sure, I can check one of the 3 apps I have for finding charging stations, but that involves using more range to pull over and scout around. My car will tell me if I won't make it to my destination and suggest a charging station, but now I mucking about in my infotainment screen instead of focusing on the road, which is also stressful.

So the easy fix for "range anxiety" is to put up signage for charging stations that lists the types of plugs they have, and incentivize them to put pricing up on their electronic billboards.

I'd actually like to see a chain of dedicated EV charging stations that have small venues attached to them, like a restaurant, bowling alley, putt putt, library, etc... where they get the benefit of a captive audience, and the people charging get the benefit of some food and activities for the 15-20 minutes that they are charging. If I had the money, I start the business myself...

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The author doesn't understand marginal utility. Not all time is equally valuable. When I am on a road trip, an extra 10-20% longer really sucks. The longer I can drive between charging, the shorter the trip, and the more time I can enjoy at my destination. Range consistently ranks as the highest concern for potential EV buyers for good reason. No matter how comprehensive the charging network, more frequent stops are annoying and time consuming.

Disclaimer: I own an EV.

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I actually like the forced stops. I personally never want to drive for more than 3 hours without stretching my legs, so it's pretty convenient for me that the my car's range lines up with that.

[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, but you never want to be dependent on a stop.

We have an older 2017 leaf. You can highway about an hour and a half/two hours tops. If you get to that charge station and they only have 1chademo plug and it's out of order you're stuck using the slower "charge the car in 4-5 hours" plug.

For long trips we top up once we get to 40 percent or so, that way we can potentially skip a stop if need be.

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I have a 2019 Tesla, which I bought specifically due to their charging network. That network is now open to other manufacturers, and most have signed deals with Tesla for integration. I've never had an issue with charging, and the longest I've ever had to wait for a charging spot was 10 minutes, and that was when half of the chargers at that stop were offline for some unknown reason.

While I don't particularly want to support any of Elon's companies at this time, Tesla did do pretty much everything right regarding charging infrastructure, and like you said, the alternatives are very iffy.

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[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Oh my god buy a Prius

This problem was solved handily by hybrids before most porn stars were even born

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 19 hours ago

Sadly most people are too retarded to know how to use a hybrid properly. It's why they are likely to be phased out as well because too many people just treat them like an ICE.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Interesting metric.

Prius is boring. A lot of EVs are enormous fun to drive, even some of the ordinary ones, because they have so much instant acceleration compared to a diesel or petrol car. You won't even be able to tear my EV from my cold dead hands.

The article is right, and for me, 13% is a massive over estimate. I only need to charge at service stations when we go on holiday and there's an app that lets me plan it all out anyway. I don't know of any motorway service stations that don't have chargers in the UK.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (27 children)

Most people drive around their city.

People don't have range anxiety about driving around their city.

It's for the few times they need to be able to depend on a car to take them to the next city.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah.

I like going camping sometimes.

Or on longer road trips.

Range is an actual issue. The fact that I'm in the city MOST of the time I drive doesn't mean I'm in the city ALL the time I drive. I don't need some article telling me range anxiety is overblown when it isn't on those days.

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[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Well, yeah, but going 100.1% over capacity can be very inconvenient, particularly if you are far from service. So "on average" doesn't consider that some numbers are worse than others.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I have an ice maker at home. Most days I use maybe 5 ice cubes total to make a cold drink.

However, if my ice maker could only hold 5 ice cubes max at a time, I would consider it a shitty ice maker and would be looking for a new one.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Article says 13% of capacity is normal. That's like your ice tray holds 35 but sometimes you have a party and have to buy cubes at the store.

Everyone shouts at you for not having ice on tap that costs them five times as much to make as your ice tray and is still more expensive than store ice, all because sometimes you have go to the shop.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think you're understanding the analogy, or at least there's some fallacy in the way you're applying it.

I would be perfectly fine with one that holds 35 cubes since I only use about 13% of that per day. That doesn't mean I will accept arguments that my ice tray should hold LESS than 35 cubes, which is what this article is trying to do with the range of electric vehicles.

Just because I'm not using the maximum amount every day, does not mean I want the maximum lowered. Again, if I had an ice maker that could only hold 5 ice cubes, while it would technically fulfil my needs most days, it would still be a shitty ice maker.

We aren't talking about "what if I had a large party?", just like we aren't talking about "what if I need to drive 1200 miles in a single day?". We're talking about "what if I have a single guest over?" or, in terms of the car, "what if I have a few extra errands to run?"

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

What? No. They're not suggesting lowering it to 5 at all. No one thinks the maximum should be set at the average (apart from a credit card company that I quit, but that's another story).

The article is saying that most people who insist on a 35 cube tray tend to use about 5 cubes daily and some of them just don't need the 35 and might be absolutely fine with a 20 cube or even a 15 cube tray.

Let's put it back in miles. The study found:

350-375 mile EVs: 11.3% of range used daily

Which is about 50 miles.

What "few extra errands" do you have that cause you to drive hundreds of miles? That's not an errand, it's a road trip.

Personally I drive round trips of 30 miles a day and 80 on Saturdays. Several times a year, we go further and then I stop every couple of hours to charge for 25 minutes or something. I'd rather stop every three hours, but it's worth it for the convenience and economy of home charging and the joy of driving I get.

If you go on more road trips than we do, you probably want a bigger range, but my humble family car 150 mile EV is more fun to drive than any other vehicle I've driven, including an overpowered automatic BMW that was lovely but not nearly as much fun.

I'm not ever going back to boring sluggish driving, spongy acceleration and annoying commuting and all those endless endless visits to petrol stations.

The cheap petrol station is a ten minute drive from my house. Filling takes a few minutes. My diesel had more range and I could eke it out to a fortnight, but the petrol one was every week. People expect me to be upset about stopping for 25 minutes and messing with my phone, going to the loo, eating a bit of food every couple of hours, ten times a year, but I used to go to the petrol station every week! I don't miss it AT ALL.

I spend hours and hours in my EV every week. It's genuinely fun to drive. The odd visit to the motorway service station is no biggie. I love my EV. I tried it for the curiosity, and love it for the driving experience

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 40 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The 1% trips are what people worry about, not the average trip. When you do make that dream road trip to the bckwoods...

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[–] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s overblown, but this is a stupid way to point it out. For those that dont stay entirely in highly populated areas, even stops for gas require some planning ahead.

I want to go all electric, but it would currently mean a 3.5 hour trip into the mountains would become a 8 hour trip because no EV can reliably handle that much altitude gain in winter on the route I take. There are no chargers on the way, thus having to take the considerably slower route. Even in summer A Better Route Planner doesn’t think it’s worth the gamble to try the direct route.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Depending on the frequency of said trips, you would probably still end up saving a tonne of money by just borrowing a diesel 4WD for those trips into the mountains (assuming it’d only be a couple of times a year).

[–] DireTech@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I considered it, but there are two problems.

  1. Frequency like you already called out 2 Availability of good rentals. Most rental companies don’t put snow tires on their rentals and do not want you to use chains. Good way to get stuck.
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

I'm a massive EV fan and love my car more than I thought it was possible, I never dreamed commuting could be enjoyable, but...

if you're regularly driving five hours up into remote mountains in the winter with no chargers en route, then absolutely stick with your diesel.

It's not for you.

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[–] Trashboat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 days ago

I don’t press my brakes too hard on average either, might as well get rid of 3/4 of em

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Yeah, however we are worried about non-typical days, like the surprise drive for four hours out of the city. Then we are quite literally fucked.

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[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

I hope the irrational fear of battery degradation lasts long enough to buy one used next year.

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