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[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Calm down, this isn't the banks screwing the little guy. This number includes tax and possibly insurance


"PITI" (principal, interest, taxes and insurance) is the standard quoted cost. It's just an estimate. You can often pick your own insurance which will change the cost, and if you're buying in cash, insurance may not even be required. (It will almost certainly be required if you have a loan, since the bank wants its assets protected.)

[–] Gingernate@programming.dev 17 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What assets? They put 100% down! Haha

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No they didn’t. They put 99.99% down. There’s $1 left.

[–] Gingernate@programming.dev 3 points 9 months ago

Oh shit I didn't see that before hahaha

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The calculator probably doesn't think that much when it's basically supposed to be an ad for a bank

[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The home insurance covers the home, so it's useful for all interested parties (owner, possibly bank).

Even if the bank doesn't have any interest in the house (cash sale/no mortgage), I would absolutely want to insure the house!

Owning a house means you don't pay rent, but you do have to pay taxes and, unless you really want to gamble, insurance.

[–] Gingernate@programming.dev -1 points 9 months ago

That's not a mortgage though.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Can someone explain this meme to me? If my math is right, the value of that payment stream over 30 years is about $58K at the interest rate mentioned.

[–] derpgon@programming.dev 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Down payment is set to 100%, so they are essentially buying the house, and their mortgage would be 0$, yet they expect to pay 300$ a month.

I'd say it's just a calculator error where someone coded the if statement that checks for a zero rather poorly.

[–] hakobo@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Estimate includes property taxes.

[–] Kiwi@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

And usually home owners insurance since that is usually held in escrow by your mortgage company. This isn’t the meme OP thinks it is

[–] DrMango@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

The estimate rounded up from 99.99%. If you look in the bottom left you can see that they put all but $1 down

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Most mortgage calculators add in property taxes, insurance, and HOA fees to give a truer cost to potential homebuyers. So, if you are paying all cash, the mortgage calculator is going to give you the additional costs only.

A lot of times, it is paid in escrow to the mortgage company. However, even if the mortgage company isn't collecting it, it still needs to be paid.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Thanks. But do those costs really add up to around 25% of the house cost? That's more than I would have expected.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 points 9 months ago

I've seen condos where the Strata/HOA fee alone would have been around 25% of the monthly mortgage.

$400 / month strata on a $1600 / month condo. It's practically thievery, no idea how maintaining and apartment is supposed to cost $4800 a year per person. Can't remember how many unit but even assuming a low count of 10 units that's $48,000 a year in maintenance. Seems pretty excessive.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It depends on the area. Both Texas and New Jersey have very high property taxes, so it wouldn't be that surprising. Or it could be expected insurance costs like in Florida, which could be very high.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Curious where you are getting 25%?

At least this amount will, assuming it's just taxes and insurance, be due every month for as long as it's owned. Property taxes in California for example are around 1%/year (so a $377k home would be around $4k/year).

If you own the home outright you may not need insurance, but of course, that's a risk.

Taxes may be severely limited in how much they increase (see: California prop 13), so while they will likely increase it may not match e.g. rental increases.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Curious where you are getting 25%?

Oh hmm, 18%. $377/m for 30 years discounted at the interest rate mentioned gives $58K which is around 18% of the house price of $323K. My mental math was a bit off.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 9 months ago

I see. In this case the 30 years is irrelevant I think.

This is probably PITI cost


principal, interest, taxes, insurance. Principal and interest are zero here, but the other two continue for as long as you own the home (property tax is annual like income tax


it's not a one-time-deal like sales tax).

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

It's not one.

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 months ago

It’s not even a meme.

[–] Contestant@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

ITT: people who didn't actually look at the screenshot

[–] MaxVoltage@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Do you need a dollar? I can loan you a dollar!

30-year fixed, 5%

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

For those of you confused as to why being $1 short of the price would translate to $377/mo... This particular calculator factors in things like property taxes, homeowners insurance, HOA fees, and other recurring expenses that are paid for annually, but are typically deducted into an escrow account each month along with your mortgage payment so that you aren't hit with a surprise bill for thousands of dollars at the end of the year.

[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] drahardja@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

That's escrow.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 months ago

You can always refinance...

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 months ago

So… is any picture a meme now?

[–] mangasucks@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

That's actually a decent property tax rate where is this

[–] MacNCheezus 1 points 9 months ago