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Former president sidestepped signing state’s loyalty oath, which opponents Nikki Haley and Chris Christie also have not signed

Joe Biden’s 2024 election campaign has lambasted former president and most likely Republican opponent Donald Trump for failing to sign a loyalty oath in the state of Illinois, in which candidates pledge against advocating an overthrow of the government.

The Biden campaign was responding to an investigation by Illinois news outlets WBEZ and the Chicago Sun-Times, which reported that Trump sidestepped signing the McCarthy era voluntary pledge that is part of the midwestern state’s package of ballot-access paperwork submitted by 2024 electoral candidates last week.

That omission came days before the third anniversary of the January 6 insurrection, for which Trump has been indicted for his alleged role in efforts to overturn Biden’s 2020 election victory. It’s a departure from 2016 and 2020, when Trump signed the voluntary oath.

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[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 71 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Don't sign = don't get on the ballot.

Seems simple to me.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's the

[ ] I am not a terrorist

And these fools refuse to check the box

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Well they said it themselves at the RNC (I think. That or CPAC) when they said "We're all domestic terrorists"

[–] BeneGesseritWitch@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It was CPAC and yes, they really did this:

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Apparently the pledge has to be optional per a court case that ruled it is a free speech violation to make it a requirement.

[–] SheeEttin@programming.dev 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You know, there's a question on security clearance paperwork that asks if you've ever done anything for violent overthrow of the government, which is definitely not an optional question. Funny that it's optional for even more important positions.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 16 points 10 months ago

As if that matters. Remember what happened when Jared Kushner's security clearance was denied several times? Oh that's right, nothing. Trump was able to override that. Cool.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

America's justice system is a mess. :/

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So he couldn't be bothered to sign a pretend pledge to not overthrow the government? Did we finally find the thing that he wouldn't lie about?

[–] withnail@infosec.pub 8 points 10 months ago

Why should he lie about it though? His superfans actually want him to become a dictator.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Doesn’t he usually love breaching contracts though.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

He does, and also, didn’t we get you already?

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It takes more than two bullets in the back of the head before cutting me up into little pieces and stuffing my remains into a suitcase to kill me.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not sure if you’re Majin Buu or if this is a Herman Cain situation.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago

Herman Munster

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He does and you did. I saw it and I'm gonna blow this whole thing wide open!

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 2 points 10 months ago

The Fartographer saves the day once again!

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Very interesting how a McCarthy-era thing can suddenly become useful.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I know you're being sarcastic, but I'd like to list all of the positive things to come from McCarthyism:

  • ...

Thank you for attending my TedTalk

[–] SheeEttin@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago
  • that one bit in The Manchurian Candidate (1962) making fun of McCarthy
[–] Nougat@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wasn't being sarcastic. This "I won't try to overthrow the US government" pledge was aimed at Communists in McCarthyism, and here it tells us something important, since Trump did sign it the last two times he ran, and declined to this time.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Sorry, I was trying to do one of those "oh, I thought they were being serious for a second there," kind of bits and instead just made my whole gag confusing. You are absolutely right, though.

[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We begin where we ended

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 13 points 10 months ago

his signature is worthless in any case, and he wouldn't ever keep an oath to anyone but himself

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago

One thing I can agree with him on. Stupid and useless loyalty pledge that goes further than what the headlines state.

[–] clutchmatic@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

USA democracy is in a big doo-doo if it depends on candidates signing pledges to avoid being overthrown

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

So if USA does break into two parts, how does it work? Seems like the east and west would be aligned with each other, but are not geographically connected. Would they be separate (so 3 parts in total) or still one? Or would there be an inevitable civil war that would bring it to just 1 eventually?

[–] SheeEttin@programming.dev 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It won't. Last time a group tried to secede, we went to war.

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

And dumb racist shitheels lost then too