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[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 76 points 8 months ago (5 children)

It always blew my mind that boats are a She, but heaven forbid we allow any women on board, they are unlucky. Like really!?

[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 8 months ago (6 children)

gendered language is kinda whack fr like why is a computer referred to as she in some languages, but then being able to choose what gendered words I use for myself in russian is a cool way to assert dominance

[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Interesting experiment: Ask translation software to translate "my manager", "the cleaner", etc. from a non-gendered language into a gendered language without any other context, and see which form it chooses for each.

[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

both deepl and google translate gave the masculine мой instead of feminine моя, kind of expected this

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[–] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well another thing is that's not just a simple language thing - it's culture as well. For example, Hispanic cultures (generally) tend to have a more "conservative" mindset regarding gender and non-binarism, it's practically nonexistent here in Spain.

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[–] Kase@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

being able to choose what gendered words I use for myself in russian is a cool way to assert dominance

Seconded. I started studying Spanish just a few months after coming out as trans. I'd expected all the gendered personal nouns/adjectives to make conversations with new people awkward, but not at all! It gave me the chance to tell them how to refer to me straight out instead of waiting for them to either have to ask or guess wrongly.

And hell, if using that -o suffix for myself doesn't bring the euphoria every damn time. ¡Me encanta!

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[–] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think historically that’s exactly why

Women weren’t allowed on boats but it can’t be a sausage fest, might as well make the boat feminine [citation needed]

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[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Can't bring your side chick onto your boat, bitches be crazy and all /s

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Because of the implication.

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[–] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 8 months ago (5 children)

my dumb-ass read 'trans' as 'trains' and was confused what a trains woman was

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 78 points 8 months ago (2 children)

actual girboss on a roll with no signs of slowing down 💅👩‍🦽

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[–] knightly@pawb.social 11 points 8 months ago

There is a surprising amount of overlap. All but one of the train people I know are transwomen. =D

[–] criticon@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That reminds me that a friend had the DVD of Trainspotting next to his TV but I read it as Transtopping and I was very curious about the premise of the movie

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

I'd take that pitch. (Phrasing.) Some blatant egg starts a counseling service for ambiguously-teenage trans youth, trying to un-trans their gender through gentle conversation with a well-meaning idiot. Fully convinced it's a thing someone can be talked out of, because they have the same energy as an 'everybody gets those urges!' pastor who is a Kinsey six so deep in denial they're petting Anubis. Like a Tobias Funke situation.

Anyway the premise only works if the whole ordeal is genuinely insightful and weirdly supportive despite missing its target every single time. Group sessions have everyone taking notes on the parts intended for the other half of the room. The counselor gives great advice on How To Boy. They're just giving it to the kids in dresses. Great fashion sense, too, and a reasonably popular webcomic about transformation magic. The latter is where the kids finally exchange glances and figure out this asshat needs their help.

You'd want a few comedic inclusions for the, uh, clientelle. One is a mildly androgynous cis guy they keep trying to talk into skirts. Somebody mixed up some paperwork. May flirt with being nonbinary, but ultimately just keeps the striped socks. Another, the service's only success story, is a trans dude whose parents don't speak great English. For trans youths, makes boys manlier? Sounds perfect. You want a bunch of girly shit we have in his size?

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 56 points 8 months ago (3 children)

People who put truck nuts on their trucks tend to be transphobic, which is ironic because they gave their vehicle gender affirming care by adding testicles when it was made without testicles.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Kinda makes me want to put puffy pussy lips on my tow hitch.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

If two trucks fall in love, do they get hitched?

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[–] root_beer@midwest.social 9 points 8 months ago

I made a similar comment on a YouTube video and man did people leave a bunch of dumb, flustered, sputtering responses

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago

Without consent from the vehicle.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 8 months ago

people will get mad when you misgender their dog but then happily refuse to call a trans woman a woman

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Other than the gendered word usage in the original meme, I'm glad English doesn't have a huge amount of gendered words (glares in the direction of Spanish and French).

We unfortunately make up for this though with strict word ordering. Don't really have to conjugate and mess with gendered articles, but I can see why it's easy for non-native English learners to get confused. Especially when even adjective types have their own word order. To native English speakers, if the order of any of this is not correct it won't sound right, but may have a difficult time explaining to others why it doesn't sound right.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 17 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Adjective type order rules are the best-kept secret in English, I was literally never taught this and I've got a degree in technical communications. XD

(1 Opinion. 2 Size. 3 Shape or physical property. 4 Age. 5 Color. 6 Origin. 7 Material. 8 Qualifier/Purpose)

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ablaut reduplication trumps adjective order

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[–] BumbleBeeButt@lemmy.zip 8 points 8 months ago

I hear the hare has hair here. Hahaha.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

German also has adjective ordering, in fact I never learned English adjective ordering because the two are close enough.

Also it's called noun classes. "noun gender" is Indo-European-centric, it just happens to be the case that all languages of that family have three noun classes, and each of them put the words for "man", "woman", and "thing" in distinct ones. Otherwise noun classes have, linguistically speaking, absolutely nothing to do with gender. A woman is referred to as "she" not because she's female but because "woman" is in the same noun class as "ship", and men and women are in different classes because the function of classes is about short, unambiguous references and "She caressed him" would be rather ambiguous if it was "it caressed it". Also it's "who caressed whom", not "who caressed who", different topic but you can tell by the "him" instead of "he".

[–] current@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Words aren't gendered in Spanish/French/German/etc. It's called "grammatical gender" but it's just a way some languages differentiate words/word forms and do adjective/noun/verb agreement, it's only sometimes loosely correlated with actual gender and is often contradictory when it's used on living beings.

For example, many words which are used to describe women or female animals in such languages are masculine or neuter gender. Many times words for living things will have one class regardless of the actual gender.

Some grammatical gender types which might make more immediate sense are animacy (animate/inanimate, usually correlated with biotic/abiotic), human/animal/inhuman, countable vs uncountable (the difference between "a plant is here" vs "a water is here", the second one isn't grammatically correct in standard English because "water" is an uncountable noun, same with "furniture", "wind", "energy").

A word that a lot of people prefer to use rather than "grammatical gender" is "noun class", it more clearly conveys what the actual use of that sort of thing in language is. "Grammatical gender" is a pretty outdaded name for it, it was called that in a time where "gender" was more broadly used to mean any class/enumeration/kind/variants/etc. (it has the same root as the word "genre" if that helps it make sense). Only way after the term was coined did "gender" start to refer to what it does now.

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[–] whodatdair@lemm.ee 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m beginning to think they’re just losers who’re mad that it’s not the 1940s anymore and that women having no purpose other than pumping out babies and dotting on their shitty husband isn’t something they can achieve anymore.

I wonder how much mtf hate is rooted in weak men believing that women should be subjugated and forced to serve their “purpose” and mtf women wouldn’t do that even if they could.

Nobody will fall for these losers anymore and society isn’t set up to support their desire to subjugate, they see mtf people and go “YOU MUST BE WHY NO WOMEN WILL BE MY BABY SLAVE ANYMORE!”

Calling possessions “she” is just an extension of that imho, casual leftover misogyny in language.

For the record I’m just a cis dude dating an mtf person for the last 8 months… this may be a bit of a ‘hot take’ lol - I’m learning, be gentle! 👉👈

[–] euphoric_cat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago

huh didn't think of this but makes total sense

[–] Resol@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Leave her, Johnny, leave her

Oh, leave her, Johnny, leave her

For the voyage is long and the winds don't blow

And it's time for us to leave her

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (9 children)
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[–] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

*nervously laugh in french*

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 16 points 8 months ago

Things that they like and see as a posession? She’s a beauty!

People in the “other” category that they’ve been trained to hate and that make them feel funny inside? Fuck what you want, I will go out of my way to insult you.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 13 points 8 months ago

*laughs in gender neutral language

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If my guitar and car ask to be called "they" I'll change.

The most confused but based Ally I've ever met

[–] ProgrammingSocks@pawb.social 9 points 8 months ago

Cruelty is the point

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You see... They sexualize those things, thats why they call them she. They are the real freaks.

Other way to look at it is that in their minds "liking things" and "having fun" is gay and feminine. But if those things are female then its not gay.

[–] moon@lemmy.cafe 6 points 8 months ago

cuz the whole goal is dehumanization

[–] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wait, so this is a trans instance? I was here for the memes and didn't think too much about the rest of it

[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

I dont know if knowyourmeme is the appropriate source for this, but there you are

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/ikea-blahaj-shark

On Tumblr, BLÅHAJ gained an association with the LGBTQ+ and transgender community in particular, which is reflected in multiple memes posted on both Tumblr and Reddit in the late 2010s (examples shown below, left and right). For example, on September 6th, 2021, Twitter user @TheWerelizard tweeted an official advertisement by IKEA in which BLÅHAJ was used to express support for LGBTQ+.

Edit: wow, all that time I read it as "Blajah" instead of "Blahaj"..

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Edit: wow, all that time I read it as “Blajah” instead of “Blahaj”…

Worse: It's pronounced [ˈbloːˌhaj] because Swedes are silly.

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 8 months ago (8 children)

I mean, it's spelled with å, not a

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

They're blue, white, and pink, which are also the colors on the trans pride flag. Also doesn't hurt that they're cute and cuddly.

[–] SeabassDan@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I honestly had no idea since I simply didn't look into it, just liked the memes. I get the downvote, I just didn't mean anything negative by my comment.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

If anyone does this intentionally, they're human garbage.

It's really easy to make the mistake sometimes, but in my experience they (trans people) are NEVER offended if it's accidental, and they tend to assume it's an accident. Overall, they are just incredibly tolerant. It's those who support them that can sometimes get overly offended on their behalf.

But again, there are plenty that deliberately refuse to use the right pronouns. The is no excuse for this. Those people are cruel, and what they are doing is going out of their way to be evil.

[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (6 children)

...they are all masculine subjects in Spanish.

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