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It was so easy when I was growing up. I would just type my search into LimeWire and if it turned out to be weird porn I would delete it. Then we had The Pirate Bay, and I could go through reviews to see whether something was a virus or not. Now all public sites I am aware of are riddled with viruses, and I am warned that attempting to download any of them will result in me receiving threatening letters from copyrights holders in the post.

Here is what I have discovered today, trying to pirate things again:

  • The safest thing you can do is direct download from file share websites, but nobody says where these websites are.
  • If you want to torrent files, you need to subscribe to an exclusive private tracker. To get access to a private tracker, you need to get lucky, or you need to go through a painstaking process of levelling up over months and months of seeding torrents from semi-private trackers until you get to an actual good one that may or may not have the content you are looking for.
  • If you don't want to do this, you need to pay for a UseNet provider, then you need to register for a similarly exclusive UseNet index service, probably paid as well. There is no guarantee you will find what you are looking for on here either, and there is a chance that your download will fail.
  • Whether you are using torrents or UseNet, you need a service to help you find the content in the first place, for example Sonarr, Radarr or Lidarr. Something called Jackett also fits into this somehow and apparently links to whatever indexes you are using.
  • If you are torrenting, you then need a torrent client such as qBitTorrent to actually get the files.
  • If you are using UseNet, you need a UseNet downloader such as jdownloader.
  • Alternatively, for either option you can pay for a Debrid service such as Real-Debrid or Premiumize to download the files for you, if you send them the links. Besides protecting your privacy and your bandwidth, these services are also great for bypassing the limits on the elusive direct download sites nobody can tell me any more about.

I don't really think of myself as a stupid person but this shit is so confusing. It is harder than paying for drugs on the dark web with illegal crypto currency. Am I nearly there? Is this everything? If I pay for a UseNet provider and somehow register for a UseNet index, is it as simple as connecting the two together to something such as Sonarr to find the content and jdownloader to get it?

I just wanna have my own home streaming service.

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's better than having some streaming service delete your show while your in the middle of watching it. It's also better than finding out you can only watch in SD because they don't approve of your CPU, GPU, monitor, operating system or web browser after paying for a subscription.

[–] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Just subscribe to Netflix and Disney+ and Hulu and Prime and HBO and yada yada yada to get a season each of the show your watch.

Fucking what were they thinking xD

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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 8 months ago

Or changes to rent status after taking a break and coming back the next day

[–] Wrrzag@lemmy.ml 43 points 8 months ago (1 children)
  • If you want to torrent files, you need to subscribe to an exclusive private tracker. To get access to a private tracker, you need to get lucky, or you need to go through a painstaking process of levelling up over months and months of seeding torrents from semi-private trackers until you get to an actual good one that may or may not have the content you are looking for.

Uh, no. Tpb, rutracker, nyaa... Work well. If you want more curated stuff then yes, private trackers might be worth it, but you can still find a ton of things on public trackers.

  • Whether you are using torrents or UseNet, you need a service to help you find the content in the first place, for example Sonarr, Radarr or Lidarr. Something called Jackett also fits into this somehow and apparently links to whatever indexes you are using.

No. You can just search in one of the trackers and add the torrent to your download client.

  • If you are torrenting, you then need a torrent client such as qBitTorrent to actually get the files.

Yes, obviously. If you want to ddl you'll likely need a web browser, too.

I just wanna have my own home streaming service.

If you don want to automate it then just search for stuff manually and move your downloaded media to your library folders like it has been done since forever.

[–] neocamel@lemmy.studio 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

My man might be wearing the ol rose-colored glasses when it comes to the Limewire "heyday" of piracy.

I remember many times accidentally infecting my computer with a virus through that thing. That repair process was a HUGE pain in the ass.

I was stoned one night looking for concert footage and instead I got a video of a woman getting her head blown off at close range. That shit FUCKED. ME. UP. for a hot minute.

Todays situation is better in my opinion.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah.

Chechen war videos were not fun to get when you were looking for porn as a teenager.

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[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah no I agree using LimeWire as a kid was wild, it's just I stopped pirating when OG TPB got taken down and never really figured out how to get back into it.

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[–] calzone_gigante@lemmy.eco.br 34 points 8 months ago (1 children)

P2p is the way the web naturally flowed, protocols like bittorrent wore able to distribute content better than giant streaming companies without relying on giant infrastructure.

Now sharing is frowed upon, hosting your own server at home is frowed upon, the web used to be more made by users, now to do anything you need to go through a big company.

The difficulties you face on piracy is just a reflection of how capitalism is fucking the web.

[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago

seems that way

[–] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 29 points 8 months ago

My two cents, piracy is not necessarily more complicated than it ever was at its simplest, but the potential for enhanced automation and security is MUCH higher than it used to be. That's the complex part.

I'm one of the lucky private tracker people. If I wasn't in there, I'd go all in on Usenet.

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (10 children)

The problem you describe is that there are a hundred working ways. Each path works but you have to find it and take it.

Imo, you can reduce the list to:

how to pirate movies as a beginner

  1. Setup vpn
  2. Install qbittorrent
  3. Visit a tracker like 1337x.to
  4. Download and enjoy

How to pirate movies as a pro

  1. Read about torrents
  2. Setup vpn
  3. Setup docker
  4. Setup prowlarr
  5. Setup gluetun
  6. setup qbittorrent
  7. Find a tracker, any tracker, and add it to prowlarr
  8. Search for something on prowlarr and be happy
  9. Add another tracker
  10. Setup radarr
  11. Setup jellyfin
  12. Setup ~~nginx proxy manager~~ traefik
[–] Zozano@lemy.lol 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What are gluetun and npm used for? I did a quick search but I don't really understand the purpose.

[–] GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago (8 children)

Gluetun ensures that the containers are properly connected to the vpn and that port forwarding is enabled which can be a pain in the ass.

Npm = nginxproxymanager, it forwards external requests to the right port where the containers are such that you can reach your jellyfin instance on your selfhosted/rented server

[–] xenspidey@lemmy.zip 19 points 8 months ago

Yeah, npm might not be a great abbreviation for that. npm = node package manager, which is big in node.js and javascript.

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[–] quirzle@kbin.social 8 points 8 months ago (8 children)

How to pirate movies as a pro

No mention of Usenet

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[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago

This helps a lot, thanks

[–] dysprosium@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

docker

what benefit does a docker deliver? Isn't that just a way to isolate things as if it were running inside a mini-computer?

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[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 8 months ago

You may skip step 1 (getting a VPN) if you live in a country that doesn't give a shit about piracy. Do your own research

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[–] Gooey0210@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago

Really can't get the point of the post

I'm enjoying rutracker + tpb. Very easy, very fast, always find what I want

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe I've unknowingly downloaded a bunch of viruses but I just tied qbitTorrent to my vpn and downloaded tons of movies from 1337x, torrentgalaxy, or ocassionally from PirateBay if I found a good one. I've been fine, but maybe I'm actually not. Who knows?

Either way, no letters or Summons so I'm doing all right.

[–] projectilecomet@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 months ago

Yeah torrenting isn't really all that hard tbh. Near enough same method as me, always been okay thus far

[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 8 months ago

1337x.to, qbittorrent, vpn if your isp cares. Dodi, fitgirl, johncena141 for games. For audio, video, books, just don't be dumb and open bee_movie.mp4.exe and you'll be fine.

[–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

just look at this: fmhy.net

[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Niceee, thank you, and the sites for movies etc, they're usually reliable and trustworthy?

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The safest thing you can do is direct download from file share websites, but nobody says where these websites are.

Until some legal entity decides to raid the servers. Pray they do not keep logs of IPs. Though usually this may be (to some extent) a gray zone in some countries.

If you want to torrent files, you need to subscribe to an exclusive private tracker

I download anime almost exclusively from nyaa. SubsPlease, Erai-Raws and many others are borderline there within 2h from release.
Private trackers allow for even higher quality by applying a ruleset like only remuxes and maybe they only allow a certain bitrate to have it classify as a remux on their community.

. To get access to a private tracker, you need to get lucky, or you need to go through a painstaking process of levelling up over months and months of seeding torrents from semi-private trackers until you get to an actual good one that may or may not have the content you are looking for.

No need to level up. Some more exclusive trackers may (or may not) open their doors during an open signup. But this is like any exclusive club. Either you stay a "pleb" in the open field or work for acess to the hifher club. Don't imagine for a second you could just enter the exclusive area in a high roller casino without a few hundred 10k chips. :p

If you don't want to do this, you need to pay for a UseNet provider, then you need to register for a similarly exclusive UseNet index service, probably paid as well. There is no guarantee you will find what you are looking for on here either, and there is a chance that your download will fail.

Usenet was always paid in the recent years.
Paying an indexing service is not mandatory. I am signed up to 4 services in the free tier just fine.
That you will not find stuff there is just as likely there, in P2Pworld as in the open web DDL or the privately shared lists world.

Whether you are using torrents or UseNet, you need a service to help you find the content in the first place, for example Sonarr, Radarr or Lidarr. Something called Jackett also fits into this somehow and apparently links to whatever indexes you are using.

What?
You can search the sites just fine on their own search engine. The *arrs and jacket/prowlarr are just unifying the searching into one engine and the *arrs parse and categorize your searches to help you find the stuff you want.
As I said: You can either search TPB manually just fine, oooooor you plonk it into prowlarr and have it synced to your *arrs.

  • If you are torrenting, you then need a torrent client such as qBitTorrent to actually get the files.
  • If you are using UseNet, you need a UseNet downloader such as jdownloader.

To browse the web, you need a web browser?
To use a computer you need a storage drive?
To use anything you need electricity.
So what's your point??

Alternatively, for either option you can pay for a Debrid service such as Real-Debrid or Premiumize to download the files for you, if you send them the links. Besides protecting your privacy and your bandwidth, these services are also great for bypassing the limits on the elusive direct download sites nobody can tell me any more about.

Any user logged to an exclusive community and uploading to something like those services are borderline stupid. lmao!
And they probably risk their account from being banned pretty quickly for breaking seeding rules They may function like a remote qbittorrent with a nice streaming interface. You basically pay someone to give you a pretty interface. Same as a seedbox, but you have no power over what you can/can not do :p

but this shit is so confusing. It is harder than paying for drugs on the dark web with illegal crypto currency.

Absolutely not. You just may be having issues understanding the material. Nothing wrong with that though.
I am still having problems understanding some concepts of for example VLANs, (v)SANs and software defined storage.

I just wanna have my own home streaming service.

Easy:

  • Download and install Jellyfin (or Plex if you want to get shafted. Just donate the same amount to the Jellyfin team).
  • Organizing: Download and install sonarr (tv)/radarr (movies)
  • Torrent: Either wait for access to TL during an upcoming holiday like easter and monitor communication channels or watch opensignup websites.
  • Usenet: Sub to a few closed communities. Same as the torrent way.
  • Downloading: For torrent: qbit, for usenet: sabnzbd.
  • Indexing: Prowlarr as the all-in-one solutiom.
  • Download: Either search prowlarr through it's own interface or through sonarr/radarr ooooor just download all yourself from some DDL page or rip from other (pirate) streaming sites via plugins and organize it via the *arrs.
[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What? You can search the sites just fine on their own search engine. The *arrs and jacket/prowlarr are just unifying the searching into one engine and the *arrs parse and categorize your searches to help you find the stuff you want.

I've been trying to understand this stuff without seeing any of it possum-party

Thanks for the help, this answers pretty much everything I was confused about

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 months ago

Awesome guides (with an ironic name): https://trash-guides.info/

[–] quirzle@kbin.social 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Until some legal entity decides to raid the servers. Pray they do not keep logs of IPs. Though usually this may be (to some extent) a gray zone in some countries.

Can you give an example? I don't think accessing a file somebody makes available has ever been an issue with copyright prosecution. They go after uploaders and hosts.

Even if they did, an IP in a server log isn't definitive proof of an individual accessing something. However, I'm less confident of worldwide legal systems understanding that. Still, I'd be curious if there's a single example of somebody being charged over accessing publicly accessible copyrighted files on the web.

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[–] danisth@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I have a few torrentleech invites, any hexbear users can hit me up with a dm for one.

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Second torrentleech. It's free, you just need an invite and you have to follow their rules (but that's valid on any private tracker)

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago

Don't need invites. The tracker consiytently opens every major holidays (now upcoming: Easter). And if not, they open usually during Summer or Black Friday/Week and Christmas.

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Oh man.

Stremio + torrentio plugin + real debrid subscription.

I used Usenet and then torrents for 20 years or so but this stremio stack allowed me to get rid of all that *arr crap, also VPN, and private trackers et cetera. Not to mention a hot, power hungry home server.

Others will be along to disagree with me any moment, but for me this stack is infinitely better.

Downloading and storing stuff doesn't make any sense in the era of unlimited data.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Someone has to seed though. I don’t know much about seedboxes but it seems like a seed box + plex combo is a solid way to go.

The home server route is way more complicated than rd+stremio for sure, but is still necessary in some contexts. I keep one just for kids content bc there’s no way to separate it out using stremio that I’ve found so far. It’s a bit of a pain to set up but with docker it’s not so bad. Stremio + rd for everything else.

Anything is better than watching fucking ads

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[–] gila@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

Feels like you're describing growing out of p2p

I used to download stuff from XDCC bots on IRC. That was even weirder than Usenet, you'd send the bot a specific chat command for it to serve you a file.

I feel like 'my own home streaming service' is effectively what I have in comparison to those days.

[–] RGB@group.lt 7 points 8 months ago

It is a very difficult topic - I use slsk private trackers and now try to revive airdc++ my data set is around 60TB - it is pain in ass to manage -HDD's fail, you need to salvage the data, also buy a new bigger ones, ssd's also fail. Internet connection is limited, and the MASSIVE amount of data being produced these dayz... I also run I2P and IPFS nodes, TOR snowflake. And it is massive pain that alphatracker is down... also the rarbg loss. Please keep calm, everything will be fine, I have to mention that I live in a grey country - no need for vpn - that really helps.

[–] Tyr_Raidho_Othala@reddthat.com 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For computer games there are a lot of respected repacker (DODI, FitGirl) and also sites for DDL (csrinru, IGG). I think it is a fairly easy time for piracy because of the ass service and rip off on every corner (EA, Ubisoft, Epic, Nintendo, Denuvo).

IGG shouldn't ve trusted,they have been caught shipping viruses multiple times.

[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Then we had The Pirate Bay

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[–] rambos@lemm.ee 6 points 8 months ago

We still have torrents, only thing thats new is option to set up *arr stack for next level torrenting. Piratebay is still working, torrents and/or usenet are way better with speeds we have today... I never liked LimeWire. Just use VPN my dude

[–] torubrx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I still don't have a single clue of what Sonarr and Radarr actually are. And, man, I've searched it all over, nothing's ever clear

[–] ccdfa@lemm.ee 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

Sonarr and Radarr are just some apps that handle the searching, download queueing, and organizing for movies and shows respectively.

You can tell them what media you want and in what quality/file size. They then use another app (Jackett, Prowlarr) to search a list of your preferred websites. They analyze the results and pick a download that best fits your quality specifications. They then send those results to your download client and move/copy/link the finished downloads to your specified media directory. They also rename your downloaded media files according to a scheme that you can define to your liking. In this way your media library stays clean and organized.

Basically you set them up once and then whenever you want something you just add it to your library on either Sonarr or Radarr depending on if you want a movie or a show. The apps handle the rest of the process for you. Additionally, they will periodically search your list of websites for media you already have and can replace what you have with versions that better align with your quality preferences.

To make things even simpler for the end user (presumably you), you can also set up apps like Jellyseerr or Overseerr that act as a front end to Sonarr and Radarr. You can search in a quick and convenient way for the media you want, and these front end apps will add them the appropriate Sonarr or Radarr library. Coupled with a media server like Jellyfin, the pirate's workflow essentially becomes this: 1) navigate to your request page, 2) select what you want to watch, 3) wait for it to appear on your media server, 4) watch it.

Edit: fixed a subject-verb agreement problem.

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[–] Epsilon@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

You add a desired show/movie and it searches selected trackers and downloads the torrent(s) through a configured torrent client. Not hard to understand really.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 8 months ago

I just download from whatever site's available on the megathread..

[–] supervent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You can still use ed2k/kad network, it works fine.

[–] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

you are gonna have to spell it out for me cause I have no idea what you just said

[–] supervent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

eMule/aMule/Mldonkey works like old limewire, it is from the same age, but still kicking

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