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President Joe Biden and Utah Gov. Spencer Cox disagree on many issues but they were united Saturday in calling for less bitterness in politics and more bipartisanship.

“Politics has gotten too personally bitter,” said Biden, who has practiced politics since he was elected to the U.S. Senate in 1972. “It’s just not like it was.” The Democratic president commented while delivering a toast to the nation’s governors and their spouses at a black-tie White House dinner in their honor.

Biden said what makes him “feel good” about hosting the governors is “we have a tradition of doing things together. We fight like hell, we make sure that we get our points across. At the end of the day, we know who we work for. The objective is to get things done.”

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[–] shikitohno@kbin.social 40 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Things have gotten bitter, but you can't have bipartisan politics when the majority of Republicans don't engage with it in good faith. As recent years have shown, it's a concept Democrats insist on sticking to for optics that prevents them from delivering on major platform issues, which the GOP only pays lip service to in years where they don't have the votes to ram through their policies, regardless of what the opposition thinks of them. As long as the GOP continues with this attitude that lets them pack the Supreme Court and other levels of the judiciary, while passing broadly unpopular laws and blocking policies that have majority support, insisting on bipartisanship is a losing play for Democrats. Leaving aside whether or not they would prefer to perpetually campaign on issues like reproductive right versus definitively solving the matter once and for all, it just feeds into the narrative that the Democrats are a bunch of incompetents who can't deliver on their promises, and even flub the ones they do make progress on by compromising their stances in the name of bipartisanship, sometimes before the Republicans even raise an initial objection.

Coupled with their abject failure at communicating their actual successes to the public at large, they're kind of self-sabotaging here. All they're accomplishing is further demoralizing their voters to maintain an image of respecting procedural norms in the face of an opposition who explicitly seeks to undermine and subvert those same norms. Who exactly is this supposed to excite?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Biden just doesn't understand what life is like for lots of Americans.

A shit ton of us have to live in the red states these Republican governors run, and we know they're terrible people who will never compromise.

The American president needs to have a realistic worldview, not stuck in a reality that stopped existing literal generations ago.

Like, he's reminiscing about Nixon and Regean's heydays, what rational person thinks things were great back then?

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

Also we have a democracy with members who don't believe in democracy. This is like the UN. A democratic organization with non democratic member states.

[–] spider@lemmy.nz 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The American president needs to have a realistic worldview, not stuck in a reality that stopped existing literal generations ago.

Speaking of which, Biden continues to fund Israel's genocide of the Palestinians because he still views Jews strictly through the prism of the Holocaust.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Yeah, more collaboration with a party of fascists, anarcho-capitalists and people bizarrely combining the two is sure to improve life for regular people!

It's no exaggeration that the Dem leadership is so ridiculously obsessed with "bipartisanship" that they'd literally have collaborated with the German nazi party if they replaced the Republicans.

Biden might SAY "it's just not how it was" but he and the rest of the Dem leadership sure as hell ACT like it's 1992.

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Isn't Cox mormon

So what's up with the champagne

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Sparkling apple juice?

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 9 points 9 months ago

I have to endure living in Utah with this filthy excremental cretin named Cox. He's such a two-faced conservative bastard. He's become much less human over time, and more the puppet of the evil right wing morons in our legislature. He recently declared diversity and equity to be "the worst forms of human evil," and he himself signed into law a bill that prevents trans people from using bathrooms in public buildings.

How despicable a person he is, what a sick piece of filth he is - the last so called "human" who should be telling people they need to feel "less bitterness and get along better." He is as disingenuous as he is uneducated, and he fights against Biden every chance he gets. He is a complete piece of dogshit.

Lets see....how many times have we heard this rhetoric? This is typical election year bs.

[–] InternetUser2012@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago

So Utah doesn't want a dictator, they'd like things to stay a democracy.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“It’s just not like it was.” The Democratic president commented while delivering a toast to the nation’s governors and their spouses at a black-tie White House dinner in their honor.

Cox, a Republican and chairman of the National Governors Association, preceded Biden to the lectern beneath an imposing portrait of Abraham Lincoln above the fireplace in the State Dining Room.

The Utah governor said the association “harkens back to another time, another era, when we did work together across partisan lines, when there was no political danger in appearing with someone from the other side of the aisle and we have to keep this, we have to maintain this, we cannot lose this,” he said.

Vice President Kamala Harris and her husband, Doug Emhoff, were among Cabinet secretaries and White House officials who sat among the governors.

Guests dined on house-made burrata cheese, an entree choice of beef braciole or cod almandine and lemon meringue tart with limoncello ice cream for dessert.

The governors, in Washington for their annual winter meeting, heard from Biden and Harris on Friday during a separate session at the White House.


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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I'm actually a fan of all this division because I think it's necessary and productive to progressing our nation forward. I think for decades, since our founding really, conservative puritanism has controlled the narrative. Now truth is finally separating itself from ignorance. What was once muddied waters is conservatism losing its grip on reality and desperately lashing out like a rat backed into a corner.

The only thing the Republican party has left is being the Anti-Dem. Doesn't matter how moral or truthful Democratic policy is, they must oppose it for they have nothing left.

[–] skulblaka@startrek.website 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A cornered animal is dangerous, and will do anything it deems necessary to ensure its own survival. I don't disagree with you here, but there will come a reckoning about this and it won't be a fun time for most people. It may even come as early as the upcoming 2024 election.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh no doubt it's still dangerous, but a feral animal still needs to get removed from the premises regardless. Change is always hard. If you haven't read The Shock Doctrine, I highly recommend. Though it tends to focus on crises that lead to generally worsening conditions. In this instance, I think the most damaging part has been in the past when conservatives just got everything they want and had such a strangehold on the nation and Both Sides / False Equivalence axis ran rampant. It was jut 10-15-years-ago that these were not household phrases.

[–] shiftymccool@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

You mean like overturning Rowe vs Wade and the ridiculous Alabama Supreme Court "cell cluster = baby" bullshit? Yep they are still plenty dangerous and capable of fucking everything backward in time

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago
[–] Hello_there@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

I don't feel good about Biden giving weapons to a genocidal regime

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Biden said he remembered when lawmakers would argue by day and break bread together at night. He is currently embroiled in stalemates with the Republican-controlled House over immigration policy, government funding and aid for Ukraine and Israel.

Biden doesn't care about what they're doing to American citizens, he just misses the good ole days where he would fight against school desegregation and then laugh over drinks with Strom Thurmmond afterwards.

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The good old days are more disgusting in a way.
For instance, lgbt+ stuff is a moral issue. I'll argue in favor of their rights all day. I will not sit down with the people I'm arguing with and break bread. The opposition wants people dead for existing. He's literally saying he doesn't actually care about the issues.
This used to be a game to him, but now the stakes are getting real.
The stakes have always been real. What a window licker

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yep.

Think about how fucked those "good ole days" he wants to go back to were for anyone who wasn't a wealthy white straight man.

For Biden they were great, and I don't doubt he truly wants to go back to those days and remembers them fondly for personal reasons.

Fortunately lots of people born after 1960 recognize how fucked up those days were for lots of people.

Unfortunately both candidates in this election were born in the 1940s and for some fucked up reason we're not supposed to talk about all the reasons that's horrible for America.