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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 70 points 8 months ago (2 children)

never in a million years would i have guessed that cotton is needed in artillery shells lmao

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 8 months ago

Same to me. TIL

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

The fabric of our life(-ending explosives)

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I assume/d the purpose of the ban is/was to further destabilize of Xinjiang, just as with the US-backed terrorist attacks, which are now being used as the pretext for the ban.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 8 months ago

Yup, they wanted to destabilize Xinjiang economically which would help create a fertile ground for extremism.

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think it was Ben Norton that the US wants to find a reason to get away with banning all Chinese imports… but their capitalism is holding them back as “just pay more to make it at home” or “deal with the consequences of an embargo” is not an option for the fragile American economy.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Exactly, we're kind of in a unique situation here as far as I can tell. Never before have we had a global empire that managed to deindustrialize its core to such an extent. US now recognizes the problem, but they have no idea how to tackle it.

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm glad that the head of capitalism is bleeding itself out, but its truly bizarre the decisions that they made. They should've hugged Russia and built them up like Japan after the collapse and they would've had a stalwart ally in the region with a shitton of oil and natural gas. And they really did drink the Kool-Aid that the PRC would inevitably become liberal if the economy kept growing.

I truly believe that the elites ACTUALLY believe the propaganda is poisoning the American Empire.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 8 months ago

I think so as well, these people drink their own kool aid.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 8 months ago

Of course the elites believe in their own propaganda. They actually consume more of it than the poor. They are more likely to get polsci degrees, "higher quality" education in history. They can watch more movies, read more news.

Propaganda exists to teach not just the subjects how to be good citizens, but also the elites as to how to manage and persuade class society.

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The United States is in a unique situation for those reasons and many more (the refinement of domestic anti-left programs comes to mind). We have plenty to learn from past leftist movements, but it gets frustrating when people try to map contemporary politics 1:1 onto the players of Weimar Germany, formation of the USSR, the Spanish Civil War, etc.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Indeed, this is a trap I see a lot of people fall into as well where they just look for historic precedent without spending the time to understand how it differs from the current conditions. Genuine understanding requires what the actual forces driving the events are in each scenario.

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago

As the saying goes, history doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes.

[–] RuthlessCriticism@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not true, the Spanish (and Portuguese) also de-industrialized themselves.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 8 months ago

fair enough

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yup un the battle between patriotism and greed greeds gonna win out every time.

[–] RedColossus@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It didn’t used to be that way, capital has become so powerful it actively threatens capitalism.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

For sure unfortunately I'm aware of what happens when the inherent contradictions of capitalism become unsustainable.

[–] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 8 months ago (2 children)

US try to not hurt itself in it's confusion challenge.

[–] ComradePupIvy@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

No no no this is the plan ... the PRC is going to suffer just you see...

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago (1 children)

holding a knife to my own nose

This'll really fuck up my enemies. Just watc- AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 8 months ago

DO YOUR FOOT NEXT YOULL GET EM WITH THIS ONE YOU JUST WAIT AN SEE

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 8 months ago

Taking out China's GDP by reducing it's US dollar holdings to worthless.

[–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

US used RISC-V BAN!

US became confused!

It hurt itself in its confusion!

It's super effective!

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 8 months ago (3 children)

China is banned from exporting clothing with XJ cotton to the US & US-subjugated vassals, it must import even more from other countries.

I don't get this point. If china can't export cotton or cotton clothes why does it need to import more?

Also, I imagine that fast fashion is also contributing to this cotton shortage. It would be funny if this is what causes western governments to finally do something about fast fashion.

[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

US/EU won’t import clothes made with Xinjiang cotton, and China makes clothes. In order to export clothes made of cotton to US/EU, they have to import cotton from abroad to make clothes without Xinjiang cotton.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 8 months ago

So by banning XJ cotton, the US is forcing China to improve trade relations with third countries. Perfect.

[–] RedClouds@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 8 months ago

I made this second comment when I dove into the article, and I'm not sure what the adjective is when they say "it". Maybe they meant to suggest that because China can't sell its cotton to the United States, that the United States must import more cotton from abroad, which means the military industrial complex can't take as much cotton from those places as well.

It said there are 80 other countries that export cotton. So maybe the clothing industry in the United States had to import more cotton from those sources... And those sources raised prices or something, may be leading to military industrial partners choosing not to buy as much cotton, therefore reducing how much cotton they had.

But I'm just taking a guess because that was kind of a weird grammar thing they did there.

[–] RedClouds@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 8 months ago

Nah, they'll just ban all fast fashion coming out of China alone, and then call it good.

[–] miz@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 8 months ago (1 children)

NATOPedia claims that cellulose is used now, not cotton

Guncotton was originally made from cotton (as the source of cellulose) but contemporary methods use highly processed cellulose from wood pulp.

[–] Darkerseid@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 8 months ago

this is amazing. the writing style is also funny.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

Oh no! What a shame.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

When you're actual virtue signaling is at direct opposition with the fact you aren't literally a global hegemony.

[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Jesus christ the west really really likes kicking its own ass when it comes to china

they're desperately trying everything to break china but its just magnified *10 on themselves and in the long run makes china even stronger

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 8 months ago

It's really incredible, similar dynamic with Russia. It's becoming clear that Europe is the biggest victim of sanction on Russia now.

[–] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 8 months ago

The overwhelmingly high demand is already stretching the world's supply thin so this is no shock to me.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The Blazing Saddles scene where Sheriff Bart put his own pistol to his head to keep the crowd from attacking him.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 8 months ago
[–] PanArab@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

In the past i used to wonder how and why empires fall. Now we are witnessing it, and it is not one thing but an accumulation of contradictions and self sabotage.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Same, and turns out the reasons tend to be rather banal in the end.