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[–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't think it will take over, necessarily, but it will likely get a big boost. We'd probably see dozens of new laws favoring Christian religious beliefs at the federal level.

I think the biggest change we'll see is the ruling class getting calcified while more and more rights get stripped away from the working class to make sure we aren't able to challenge anything we don't like.

So... Like it is now, but without any room for hope.

I urge every single American reading this to organize locally. It's not too late yet, but if we sit on our hands, it will be.

[–] Impassionata@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago (2 children)

anyone who doesn't expect a regime of brutal martial law to come out of a Trump administration is fooling themselves.

these people have already shown they don't care about law and order to institute their belief system on the rest of us.

what's going to stop them? congress? they'll kick out the Democrats because law and order mean nothing to them in their pursuit of power at any costs.

a full scale state-by-state civil war is increasingly likely.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

They won't kick out Dems, he'll accuse them of treason or whatever and have some of them shot. The purge continues until only ppl loyal or those afraid to die pledge loyalty are left.

[–] Impassionata@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

like it's not that hard. The US is not some special case when it comes to nation-states.

When the murder monkey hate spiral gets going, it keeps on murdering and hating.

if you believe otherwise, you are fooling yourself.

[–] Raykin@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Both sides are not the same. If you're not voting Biden you are voting for chaos. Full stop.

[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 10 points 6 months ago

As fun as chaos sounds, I definitely am not voting for that death cheeto they call Trump.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 1 points 6 months ago

Removed for trolling? Seemed like a pretty appropriate response to me...

[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 34 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It already looks like a christofascist state to those of us that don’t live there.

But, like, I don’t live there so maybe I’m wrong. I’ve been there lots but I’m not exactly speaking from direct experience.

[–] Impassionata@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

currently it's a loud and powerful minority that may pull us into civil war.

[–] Sekrayray@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Loud minority with some of us speaking up and the rest being sort of stunned/beaten into silence.

I always wondered as a kid how fascists like the Nazis came to power in other countries. Living through this timeline in the US since 2016 had shed a lot of light on that. I truly think only 10-20% of the population is actually unchained enough to want Christofascism (maybe even less), but it seems like the other 80-90% of people don’t want to put forward the effort to oppose it. I think most people want to “mind their own business” to a fault. It’s led to what you see from the outside.

[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

20% is a lot. 20% is enough to make it a reality. 1 in 5 people in a country supporting christofascism is wild to me.

[–] Sekrayray@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

That’s actually a really good point.

For what it’s worth I think most of them are isolated to insular towns in more rural areas. It’s almost like they’re disconnected from reality (literally and figuratively)

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

It's already taking over. Arm yourself.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes.

if it hasn't already, that is. Trump will give them anything they want because they give him he everything wants.

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Trump includes evangelicals in speeches, lets them pray for him, and appoints their judges, but he mocks them in private. He apparently respects the grifters like Osteen, but thinks regular Christians are idiots.

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

I didn't think it will necessarily "take over," but believe it'll be double the unmitigated clusterfuck it was the first time. The difference is his mission will be to ensure there is not another election that can be held afterwards, from day one. The first time, he was just flummoxed that he got elected for a long time and figuring out how to abuse his power. Now it would be unbridled abuse without a care as to what anyone says.

[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

No, the current group of young voters is predominantly democrat voting, and atheism is growing. This is temporary, once the boomers age out we will likely see a trend towards the left again.

I unironically blame Trump and MAGAism on lead. We still need to hold on for how plastic plays out, but I'm sure lead brain plays a huge role in the modern political climate.

I don't think whoever is in office is somehow playing into what religion people pick. This isn't Saudi Arabia or something either, our government is actually set up in such a way that radical sweeping changes aren't possible. They picked at some of our rights, but it's not like we're on our way to the gulags anytime soon.

And really the issues we're seeing have been prevalent for decades, it's not like Trump has done anything but highlighted the crazies.

I'm not saying there isn't a threat that needs to be taken seriously, and I'm not trying to down play the reality of the situation, but again, we're not on our way to the gulags anytime soon.

[–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

I agree with 99% of your reply, but this one key part:

our government is actually set up in such a way that radical sweeping changes aren't possible.

The following is from the PDF hosted on the Project 2025 website:

Aggressive Approach to Senate-Confirmed Leadership Positions. While Senate confirmation is a constitutionally necessary requirement for appointing agency leadership, the next Administration may need to take a novel approach to the confirmations process to ensure an adequate and rapid transition. For example, the next Administration arguably should place its nominees for key positions into similar positions as “actings” (for example, putting in a person to serve as the Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Commissioner of CBP while that person is going through the confirmation process to direct ICE or become the Secretary). This approach would both guarantee implementation of the Day One agenda and equip the department for potential emergency situations while still honoring the confirmation requirement. The department should also look to remove lower-level but nevertheless important positions that currently require Senate confirmation from the confirmation requirement, although this effort would require legislation (and might also be mooted in the event of legisla- tion that closes portions of the department that currently have Senate-confirmed leadership).

If you get the right people in the right positions to do enough damage in a short timeframe, it becomes "Shoot first, ask questions later"

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Trump is Putin's puppy/puppet. All Vlad wants is chaos in the West. It's not a matter of the MAGoos taking over; it's about how much trouble they can make.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This evangelicals can also move the puppet

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 9 points 6 months ago

The difference between Vlad and the Evangelicals is the difference between a con man who takes your entire fortune and a bunch of kids who guilt you into letting them stay up and eat candy.

The Christian right will be happy with book burnings, mass shootings, and hanging abortion providers. Vlad would like to see the US broken up into five or more feuding confederations, ala Brexit

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago

Of a sort, yes.

He's not a smart man, but he has a low level of instinctive cunning. I doubt he's christian in the sense that he believes in god but he realises it's a potentially useful tool to manipulate his followers. So yes, the christo side of it will be a useful tool in his armory to help him achieve the fascist bit. That's the bit he's really interested in as it gives him perpetual power which he can then pass down to his chosen one.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

They will certainly try.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

They will try.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Yes it must be fought

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

No, I think they'll try though.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

It hasn’t already? Look at the battle against women’s reproductive rights

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Has trump ever even claimed to be Christian?

[–] june@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Yes. He said he was Presbyterian but in 2020 realized his rabid base is evangelical, so he changed it up and said he’s non-denominational.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/23/trump-says-he-now-identifies-as-a-non-denominational-christian/

Though he also doesn’t understand the nature of asking for forgiveness or the possibility that he ‘makes mistakes’ that he needs forgiveness for.

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/trump-has-never-sought-forgiveness/index.html