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But it seems like every fucking day there’s a new video of drones blowing up cars, snipers shooting kids, POW’s getting murdered. Generals should have known that letting cameras on a battlefield was a bad idea since Vietnam. Now personally I think it’s good this stuff is being documented, not like I want it to happen or want to see it but at least there’s evidence, but I’m thinking from a warmongers perspective, why would you want footage of war to be so wildly disseminated? How hard is it to take away a phone from a soldier? I don’t know how to feel about this, I just know it’s an incredibly wide security gap that no army is willing to plug.

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

call me old fashioned but i wouldnt let anyone in my military have personal communication devices, period.

i think this comes from poorly organized/disciplined forces, AFU and IOF are afraid of mass desertion/insubordination if they crack down too hard, and the actual organization is janky enough personal phones can help, see Ukrainian artillery aiming with an app

but is this as much of a problem with Russia and the US?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The US has repeatedly told soldiers to stop using fitness tracking apps among many others bc it's sending detailed information about movements on military bases to various companies.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

fitness tracking app? whatever happened to sergeants making sure their units were fit?

[–] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 7 months ago

Those are personal fitness tracking apps. People use them for training and tracking their progress.

It makes numbers from the fitness that makes the brain tickle the good good..

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 5 points 7 months ago

Dunno, I was never in the military. Though from what I understand big chunks of it are an utter shit-show at the enlisted level.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

The IOF was using Tiktok for battlefield comms at one point iirc, so maybe phones prop up their terrible terrible military?

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

IDF soldiers are so brain-broken that the only reason they fight enthusiastically is to get dynamic backdrops for their TikToks. Take away their phones and the settler state crumbles.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

Generals should have known that letting cameras on a battlefield was a bad idea since Vietnam

They do; Gaza is not Vietnam; the average American was against war crimes in Vietnam and valued some imagined right to ignorance of them. The average Israeli however celebrates war crimes, they are not at all horrified by the videos of civilians being gunned down, homes being destroyed, or of starving civilians; to them, babies are just 'terrorists' waiting to be old enough.

Also never mind the IOF; Israeli journalists, politicians and citizens who get airtime openly talk about wiping Gaza off the map and taking the land for themselves, and that Arabs are just savage hordes. They also know they can get away with it because our democrat president is saying he's going to let them get away with it; democrats are the most likely to revise ties with Israel (because of the facade of progressiveness) and even democrats won't do it. They know they can do whatever they want.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Back in the early 2000's we'd have sledehammer parties where we'd dig through everybody's shit after we deployed somewhere we weren't supposed to have unsecured communications and publicly smash the shit out of all the cellphones we could confiscate.

Now? Cellphones are super cheap, readily available, and the cultural shift to just accepting them absolutely everywhere and at all times made its way into being accepted.

Smart phones and dumb phones with camera/video recording functions got to the point that everybody wanted to (and could more easily) capture moments of "history" regardless of consequence.

How hard is it to take away a phone from a soldier? I don’t know how to feel about this, I just know it’s an incredibly wide security gap that no army is willing to plug.

They are cheap and plentiful. Taking a phone away is one thing, but keeping them from getting another one? That's a losing battle.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 7 points 7 months ago

I’m thinking from a warmongers perspective, why would you want footage of war to be so wildly disseminated?

It's the norm for Jewish Israelis to be monsters. They can't get enough of the killing, suffering, starvation, torture, famine, etc. And they didn't get this way overnight.

Over 2/3 of Jewish Israelis oppose humanitarian aid to Palestinians starving in Gaza - Mondoweiss

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 6 points 7 months ago

Why, there are no consequences, specially so if you're a western country