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"I have nothing good going on in my life, so I've adopted an extreme viewpoint that easily allows me to feel superior to others."

This really jumps out at me and seems to be a trend with libs and fash. Neither libs nor fash, painted with very broad strokes, seem to believe that the other side holds the convictions they claim to. The Fash, at least in the US, have long used terms like "bleeding heart" and "politically correct" to accuse Libs of pretending to care about social issues in bad faith so they can use social issues as a weapon to bludgeon the GOP. Libs, in turn, seem to broadly believe that the Fash are stupid or igniorant. The Libs cannot or will not accept that the Fash are different from them and have different goals and desires. Trying to explain to Libs that Fash want to hurt other people because they enjoy it, and will hurt people they hate or fear even if it causes harm to themselves, is like trying to explain particle physics to a duck. The idea that anyone doesn't share their weird civility fetish and commitment to triangulation can't break through their ideological bias.

Fash seem to believe us to some extent. As Parenti said, they still think we're lying and just using our concern for social justice as a weapon against them, but they do seem to believe we'll do what we say we'll do. Libs seem to mostly dismiss us as deluded children, idiots, or sadists because they have such a warped view of revolutionary violence. The idea that we're painfully, pathetically sincere and disagree with them in good faith, ie our disagreement is sincere and earnest and doesn't have anything to do with them and their politics as team sport, can't land in their heads.

They can't see what we believe as anything but ego, sadism, or foolishness. They can't imagine that many of us are motivated by kindness and love, and our intense hatred grows from the cruelty that we perceive in the world, and in capitalism. To them the system is normal, natural, and sacred. "It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of Capitalism." All they can really see us as is deluded agents of chaos and destruction because they can't imagine anything better than what exists.

RE: later on, where they're talking about wider and wider targets.

It's really something that they cannot imagine any political action outside the narrow confines of their own self imposed rules of civility. You cannot take any action without rapidly becoming a Voltron robot of Pinochet, Hitler, Pol Pot, and their distorted idea of who Stalin and Mao were. If you use violence in any way for any reason you're going to turn in to a frothing monster who just kills people for the sadistic joy of it.

And then thoughtlessly, effortlessly, carelessly, most libs support whatever imperial massacre is being committed right now, they treat the police as a legitimate force that has become corrupt but can be fixed through policy change, they completely support the warmongering of NATO, they ignore or deny western genocides.

It's such a bizarre set of contradictions and many of them either have no awareness of it or see no contradictions. Our violence is normal. Our violence is legitimate. Our violence is morally good or at least neutral. Our actions are never genocide. Even while they're decrying their own leaders for war crimes they have no intention of taking action or doing anything to stop the killing. Their role is merely to state their distaste as an individual for some of the killing, then go back to their normal lives. And anyone who does even float the idea of taking direct action, of opposing the regime, of even identifying the regimes crimes as a feature of the system rather than a deviation caused by corrupt individuals, is denounced as a monster and a sadist.

Also boy howdy do they love comparing us to Christian Fascists and insisting that we believe a world wide workers revolution is just going to magically spring in to existence one day with no effort and no action. I've tried telling them there are honest to god communist, leftist, and anarchist revolutions and movements happening in the world right now but it never seems to land. Again, they cannot and will not consider a position outside their own skewed preconceptions. Their system is perfect, eternal, and unquestionable, marred only by a few corrupt people. Anyone who thinks it could be challenged, that the invincible armies of America might be fallible (despite them being terrified of Jan 6), that America's civic institutions might be cruel by design and inherently unfixable, is simply delusional, an unreasoning fanatic. Never mind that leftist revolutions of all kinds have happened in the past in all sorts of circumstances, never mind that many of them were successful in holding power for decades, never mind that several communist states still persist despite everything, we clearly believe that a magical event will carry us to a magical utopia.

someone who was in a good place in life wouldn't want to put people in gulags

Wow @wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com what a revelatory thought! It's almost like everyone's lives are getting worse and the people at the bottom are getting increasingly angry about it! It's almost like capitalism is failing and our numbers are increasing every single day while everyone gets increasingly more and more angry about that?

Wow it's almost like the system is not working and is producing the very conditions that will result in its overthrow!

Wow i wonder if any bearded guy wrote about this occurring.

Self righteous dumbass thinks belittling people at the bottom "your life is shit lol you don't get an opinion on society" is the right thing to do instead of asking why society is failing everyone and producing those of us who thoroughly believe the only way that anything will change is revolution.

"Soviet gulags were less brutal and oppressive than American prisons are now"

"Wow you must be a poor loser, otherwise you would know that America is the unquestioned good in the world and everyone else is the enemy, now let me rattle off 5 more paragraphs of projection about how propagandized and extremist you are."

i don't know what dbzer0 is but nothing good has ever come from there as far as I can tell