I imagine that a lot of the sales slump is being driven by Musks antics. It’s not uncommon to hear “I’d probably buy a Telsa, but I don’t want to support Elon Musk.”

It sounds to me like they still need to learn how to really build a car. This many years in on a car this expensive and I’m still reading about fit and finish problems. The design that makes repairs super expensive after a collision needs to become more repairable to reduce insurance costs. And they need to become more compatible with common user experiences with most cars; there shouldn’t need to be instructions for how to open doors. I get that Musk hates physical buttons, but they make driving safer than looking at a screen.

It is a company that employees a lot of Americans, which is good. I’d rather see them get rid of musk and then improve quality and marketing decisions. But that probably won’t happen.

full self driving is not actually full self driving.

deception at its finest.

remember when they faked it to look better?

Coming from CarPlay / Android auto land, I can’t get over how shitty Tesla’s voice control was. It makes Siri look good.

I understand your second concern but your first is just wrong. The car only requires a payment for subscription to enable data services like cloud music and the navigation satellite maps are gated behind that. The navigation still works as normal without subscription otherwise but will only show a simple map without textures.

Lucid’s are way better. Almost mid 90s Lexus levels of build quality and the chassis on the Air is truly a next gen Model S. Lucid was founded by a lot of former Tesla engineers and designers who left for… reasons, to go make their own company.

Exactly. I’m eyeing Volvo / Polestar for my next ride. Although, not having full access to Telsa’s charging network is a big bummer. So many non-Telsa chargers are slow and busted.

IMHO, the charging network is actually Telsa’s most compelling feature.

You can get other electric cars for that price.

We need cheaper. 33k already gets you an EV

Mustang is basically the same build as a Y and the used market is full of very high end ones for very little

Personally i'd lean more towards a polestar 2 especially if you can find a good deal on a newer face lift one. Hyundai makes nice looking cars on paper however their long term reliability keeps being questioned.

I have a lyric and I love it. It costs more though. The mustangs look pretty cool and have some good deals right now.

Surprising to hear. My physio has a Model 3 she bought 5 years ago. She loves it a great deal. She thinks it's a great commuter car.

She frustrated by how fast behind the tech in her new Tundra is in relation to the Model 3. She rarely needs to go to the Tesla dealer for anything as most updates are over the air.

She frustrated she needs to keep going back into the Toyota dealership for everything. She finally received her second key for the truck several months after she bought it as there was a shortage of chips. She needed to go to the dealer to have it programmed and was a little miffed about that too.

Despite the things Musk is doing now some of the things with Tesla they are doing I wish other makes were doing too especially the over the air updates. However those dealer visits are good for business I'm sure.

Model 3 is the cheapest and model S Plaid is the most expensive one.

S and X are built on the same platform, S is a sedan, X is an SUV. The X has the idiotic gullwing doors, meaning you can't put anything on the roof. On an SUV.

3 and Y are the same story, but smaller and cheaper, 3 is the sedan, Y is the SUV.

And then there's the Cybertruck.