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I had a post removed today for using the word "spook" in reference to government agents, a common usage that I see around the site, because it is a racial slur, although ive never seen it used with that intent (not that it matters), and it only gets removed maybe 10% of the time. In order to be consistent and not offend any comrades I would propose adding it to the word filter so its removal will be uniform and not open to mod interpretation.

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[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 39 points 2 months ago

I have never heard either spook or glowie used with any racial intent, literally ever. I know that's totally anecdotal so can anyone help me with examples of where it gets used that way?

I will need to be able to explain it to libs at some point and if I can't understand it myself I can't explain it to libs.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Glowie is absolutely a racist term, it came from the guy that made his own operating system (Terry Davids and temple OS I think) and he used it with racial intent. The original term involved the n word as far as I remember.

As for spook, I've never heard of it being used as a slur.

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

glowie is absolutely, unambiguously racist. maybe some people use it without racist intent because they don't know where it came from, but it was coined only recently because 4channers thought a mentally ill guy's racist delusions were really funny.

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Its not a common or widely used slur but it has a historical usage.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/spook

[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

I think the only time i've heard it used as a racial slur was in american history x. Honestly, i don't think we should start declaring random words to be slurs just because they were used this way at some point

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Accurate pfp. Maybe I'm in the vast minority but I have heard it used as a slur IRL.

declaring random words to be slurs just because they were used this way at some point

Idk if I have any strong feelings about it getting filtered but that's a bad take

[-] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

I don't think "glowie" has ever had racial intent, but some of it's earliest usages were "glowie-Nword". Usage has definitely spread beyond fascists and people trying to talk like them, though.

[-] popcornlung@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

The word spook was only racist for a very short period of history, I mean it’s still racist but it’s very archaic. Most people don’t know what it means, it’s best we censor it though.

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[-] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago
[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So is it actually used?

Like I'm dead serious when I say does anyone have examples of actual usage? I have never seen anyone use it, not in fictional media/drama, not online, not anywhere.

I mean this in entirely good faith. I am trying to properly understand and build the basis of how I would have this conversation with someone who is as oblivious to this as me. My assumption here is that this must be a regionally specific american thing or something hence my complete and total obliviousness to it.

I think the bigger issue I will have with this is that it's going to be almost impossible for me to convince anyone in the UK to stop using it. It's definitely not used as a slur here and there was a very popular UK drama show called "Spooks".

[-] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Once a cousin of mine used it meaning a CIA agent, and another cousin said "you mean a black person?"

That's my only experience with it off the top off my head (but I'm white)

[-] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago
[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Oooo good example thank you. Her acting is baaaaaaaad though data-laughing

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[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

For some reason I vaguely remember it being used in the first Back to the Future when Biff's gang encounters the band playing the school dance, because of course Biff would be a racist on top of everything else.

I'll see if I can find the timestamp and edit once I can confirm/deny.

Edit 1: OK, yup, found the quote on IMDB while waiting for the damn movie to buffer [CW: old-timey racism]:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088763/quotes/?item=qt0416348&ref_=ext_shr_lnk

Edit 2: Timestamp is around 1:21:00, when Biff's henchmen are throwing Marty in the trunk of the car.

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Edit 2: Timestamp is around 1:21:00, when Biff's henchmen are throwing Marty in the trunk of the car.

Would be genuinely useful to find a clip of that online, or get it clipped and posted on youtube with a title like the gran torino one. Entertainment media including it is the easiest example for libs. It'll be popular with racists but it'll also be valuable for libs.

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I wanna second this but the word is also a verb. As in "I'll spook ya" and that's a very innocent use of the word. The adjective "spooked" is also innocent.

The slur for a person I heard all the time growing up in the south. My parents would use it and so I do feel a particular animosity towards it. The filter would have to know when the word is being used as a noun for a person.

[-] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

The filter would have to know when the word is being used as a noun for a person.

The current filter doesn't even detect when a word is used within another word, this will never happen.

[-] PointAndClique@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Editing out my comment sorry, I misunderstood

[-] Moonworm@hexbear.net 27 points 2 months ago

I kinda just wonder what this actually accomplishes. Like no one here ever uses it as a slur, it's incredibly antiquated, and whenever people use it to refer to feds, it gets admonished regardless of anything else. Plus spooky and spook as adjective and verb are pretty common and I really don't think we need to excise those expressions.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is exactly the point in my making this post, if I had a post removed for it that means it bothered at least one person enough to report it or remove it, so we should err on the side of caution and just add it to the word filter so we won't have to have debates over which racial slurs are ok to use and in which context. Spook as a verb can be replaced by scared and spooky can be replaced by scary. It will be annoying for all of a week until people get used to it.

[-] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I personally don't mind as an endeavor to be inclusive to any comrades

But man oh man is Stirner gonna cry when he awakens from his deep sleep and finds out that word is a slur now.

stirner-shocked

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago

real talk was stirner even real

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[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

I recently learned that "glowie" is also really closely associated with a racial slur so I think that should be added too, if it isn't already.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Anyone who says glowie is either an internet fascist or trying to ironically mimic their language. Both cases are annoying and should be removed.

[-] Angel@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

As a black person, I approve of this. It's better to not have any cracks to slip through, period.

[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

i will defer to our black comrades on here on this matter, but as of now i don't see it as being a serious issue

[-] AlicePraxis@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

the odds of anyone using that word in that context on hexbear dot net are slim-to-none. the odds of someone using it to talk about spooky skellingtons is pretty high. don't infringe on my right to talk about spooky skellingtons!

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 3 points 2 months ago

Could filter it when followed by a space, comma, period, exclamation point, hyphen etc

[-] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

problem is then you get spooky > removedy

there might be some regex trickery to avoid that though

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We already get that with "refutation"

Edit: not anymore apparently so it can be fixed

[-] axont@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Does the word paremovedo still get mangled? The Japanese game that's like a slot machine with little metal balls falling down pins.

Edit: yes it does

[-] ReadFanon@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I have tried to write the name of the dish pasta e fāgioli here and it took me forever to figure out why it was getting caught in the filter lol

I guess it's nice to be so far removed from that slur that it didn't even register for me without spending way too long pondering it.

Btw this phenomenon is known as the Sremovedhorpe Problem.

Lol the link got got. It's the Scūnthorpe Problem and Wikipedia has an entry on it. Super interesting if you like nerding out over this stuff.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

I didn't know about that game, I want to play now

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Removedy action at a distance

[-] jimmyjohnsandwichfive@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

I'm a bit shocked people still use that word, I for some reason thought it got replaced with just saying Phantom instead

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

I always thought it was more like "celestial", a term so antiquated it's easier to ban people who do use it the bad way rather than to filter it.

[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

wordfilter 'spook' to 'boo' hexbear-specter

[-] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Uhh no I think that has certain connotations as well

[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 6 points 2 months ago

I remember using that term and people from more Southerly parts were given a start. I was referring to the President coming to town and the this small area I was in suddenly teeming with agents. It does seem a regional slur, but a slur nonetheless.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

Spook used as a noun:

Ghost (Dutch, Apparition or Specter)

A black person (around WWII, US military reference to black soldiers)

A white person (when black people would refer to white people)

Spies

[-] DEAD_YUCKY@hexbear.net 5 points 2 months ago

AMERICAN BULLSHIT

[-] bleepbloopbop@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

all usage I can find on hexbear is either spooky as in skellingtons or removed as in fedposting but we could probably filter the latter without affecting too much usage.

removed I think is unambiguous though

Edit: ah okay it's already in place

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago
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