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[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Honest question, am I being too cynical in thinking the Dems are running on abortion rights this time purely as a way to juice turnout, or did Roe getting overturned and their base's reaction to it actually change it into being a priority? I know they had half a fuckin' century to "try" and pass abortion rights as law and passed on it every time including a supermajority in Obama's first term where the Obungler said "it wasn't a priority," but I feel like the liberal electoral base for the Dems was shocked and pissed by SCOTUS striking down Roe in a way that the party was unprepared for.

I know a Harris administration won't have a Senate supermajority or House majority most likely so it's all hypotheticals and SCOTUS or the parliamentarian or some other bullshit would block it if they did, but I feel like liberals finally realized how fucked they are trying to accomplish anything they care about now that the SCOTUS is fucked for decades with no plans of impeaching Thomas/Alito/Kavanaugh or packing the court. The Dem's base is desperate to "get back to normal" on reproductive rights, and the party has no real path to accomplishing that. I know a decent chunk of libs will be satiated by just having "vote harderer" scolded at them and having candidates just say "I support a woman's right to choose," but a lot of them are pissed that the Biden admin did jack shit trying to fight SCOTUS other than putting out statements saying they disagreed with the ruling. Is reinstating Roe through federal legislation actually something they're gonna take seriously moving forward, or is it just the new shiny football for their voters to try to kick?

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

purely as a way to juice turnout

That's a bingo.

The dems are boldly lying about Roe and it's why I phrased my title like I did. That woman is at the goddamned convention so she's politically plugged into the democratic party and yet she's already mentally accepted decades of inaction.

The only way to restore Roe is to first cripple the power of the GOP justices. If the dems ignore that reality - then restoring Roe is DOA right now. Imagine the dems win in the election and actually pass a law. After that the GOP justices will simply say it's unconstitional. And that's that. The same is true for any congressional efforts to try to "reform" the supreme court. GOP justices can say anything they don't like is unconstitional.

Without radical judicial reform and/or packing the court everything the dems are saying about the court and Roe is a lie. Plus the GOP justices gave the president extraordinary powers for "official acts". But if Harris becomes president - she surely won't use that power to streamroll over the GOP justices or for any other purpose. All of this makes me insane.

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At this point I don't understand how people believe anything any politician says they're going to do. I just don't understand how it's possible to keep charlie browning this shit.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

The very word "Trump" is a liberal thought terminating cliché. This joke of a "ban" is the only policy or position Kamala has made if you don't count the empty "Restore Roe!" posturing. Entirely unlike Biden - Kamala's team realized that she, Walz, or their proxies simply need to say "Trump" about every 30 seconds and the libs will be triggered with anger, worry and fear. So - no actual positions or policies need to be put forth to get their base to vote. And Kamala's team figures many independents and some republicans are triggered by "Trump" in the same way.