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You're ignoring how much worse it can get, especially for people of color, people who are lgbtq, and yes, people who are making minimum wage and/or getting assistance today.

It does matter.

sure, yeah, maybe you'll end up about the same if trump gets in. However, as someone who would be made to massively suffer under a second Trump term, I'm sick and tired of seeing people not treat this election with the gravity that it merits. If you're anything other than a cis white Christian male, Trump Part II is going to be a nightmare(and, to be fair though those cis white Christian males may not be aware of this, but they aren't exactly going to have the best time of it either, especially if they're not rich).

Yes, I agree, the Democratic party sucks and does little to actually help us. But, THERE ARE TWO, AND ONLY TWO OPTIONS UNDER OUR CURRENT SYSTEM. A Green Party vote accomplishes nothing, for they're never going to be in enough numbers that anyone actually notices. Most people stuck voting in this stupid first-past-the-post system understand that a protest vote in a general election only serves to benefit the party further from your actual beliefs. Therefore, third parties are an utter and complete waste of time, and those voting for them were taken for fools. Not voting simply sends the message that you can be safely ignored. The time for protest votes and voting your conscience is the primaries.

Part of being an adult is having to make difficult and unsavory choices. I don't like Harris much. I don't like how the country is completely captured by corporate interests. However, Trump is so completely unacceptable in so many ways that not making the crappy choice to strategically vote against him is both monumentally stupid and, quite frankly, a slap in the face to every minority and every woman who stands to go through hell if that monster comes back. That's the hand that we have been dealt. If too many people fuck around when fascism comes knocking, I'll be one of the first to find out, though everyone will, eventually.

You post so much that makes sense and seems rational and well thought out. I don't understand how you can expect anyone can think you're acting in good faith when you come out with this shit, though. It's so willfully divorced from reality that it's stunning. I literally don't understand how you could come to these conclusions if you're anything other than a state actor or someone being paid.

It confuses the hell out of me.

But I'll be voting for Harris. I'll be banging away at how terrible her stance on Israel is literally on November 3rd right next to you if it doesn't change, but not until we make sure Trump doesn't get the keys to our nuclear arsenal and to the White House.

But honestly? I'd be surprised if your account remains active at that point. It's really, really hard for me to imagine that you might actually be a real person who cares about anything rather than just a character being played by someone so incredibly cynical that you don't mind burning the entire world down for a few bucks.

Which president pushed for the infrastructure bill that serves the public, including the poor by increasing mass transportation? Biden.

Will it take decades? Yes, but it would not have happened under Trump.

Which president got drug prices capped? Biden.

Which president got the ACA passed giving poor people health care? Obama.

Which president sent poor people that joined the military to get through college into pointless wars? Bush.

Which president gambled with Ukraine's security risking WW3 and a draft of poor people? Trump.

Which president killed net neutrality risking ISP price gouging on popular services? Trump.

Which president killed abortion and attempted to get contraception off the ACA? Trump.

Which candidate is working on universal pre-K so families that can't afford childcare don't have to have one parent stay at home? Harris.

Which party wants to empower charter schools to take money originally targeted towards public schools which will keep poorer folks disadvantaged? Republicans.

Most people aren't actually at the minimum wage anyways, they're somewhere between minimum wage and a comfortable wage. It'll never be what folks want it to be. The best way to improve quality of life for poor folks IMO is to cut stupid crap that gets in their way of getting a better education, better housing, and keeps them poor with junk fees like overdraft fees.

Oh, btw, Harris is working on junk fees https://www.fidelity.com/news/article/top-news/202410100607RTRSNEWSCOMBINED_KBN3BG0MD-OUSBS_1

I honestly don't know if there's any convincing you, but if there's any part of you I'm resonating with you should SERIOUSLY reconsider your position that it doesn't matter. It may very well be the difference between poor people living an okay life and fighting on the front lines. Maybe even you personally, we are in a very dangerous point in history.

The whole Regan "are you better off than you were 4 years ago?" measure is some serious "do you feel better 4 minutes after maxing your credit cards on a sports car" logic. Long term effects are what matter, not whether a candidate increases or decreases your salary in the next year.

Oh I'm sure my mixed race marriage would be totally in jeopardy under Harris. I bet NOAA would get defunded by Harris. I'm pretty sure my immigrant in-laws would get deported under Harris. Oh and I'm for SURE my LGBT friends will be put in harms way by Harris. Climate, womens health, child rearing, education etc etc etc

So yes, if you're poor or working class in this country, it doesn't matter much who we elect.

Says the person with a white male profile pic lol

It really is amazing what one can do when the obstructionists are on your side.