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This election loss should have resulted in Dem infighting imo, instead of blaming the group that Harris told to fuck off.
I just checked and Stein ended up with 744,757 and de la Cruz got 138,095. West's totals are negligible. But those are the leftist votes that probably matter.
The Dems lost by 3,005,137 votes. Harris got 72,953,282 and Trump got 75,958,419 votes.
In 2020, Biden won with 81,284,666 votes compared to Trump's 74,224,319.
Biden won by 7,060,347 and Harris lost by 3,005,137. The leftist vote total is 782,852 and some change. There is no concevable way I can see that magic 6 digit number being the catalyst to Harris' failure when Biden got 8,331,384 more votes. Those are the Dem votes. Not the Left waffling this time around.(Ok, subtract one vote because I did vote for Biden in 2020).
I'm not a numbers guy but this really just points at Dems not turning out to vote because Harris just isn't likeable. Dems didn't get a say in their candidate because Biden waited 2 months until election to step down and the DNC had to scramble to make Kamala look "hireable" even though she was one of the first to bow out during 2020 primaries. In that 2 months time, Harris managed to alienate the Muslim vote because she's a terrorist, and when asked about whether trans people should exist, she said "it should be up to the states to decide" which is fucking exactly how we got to where we are with reproductive rights. Her saying that is a right-wing talking point. All she had to do was lie about it and she'd have appeared slightly more likable. But instead she supports genocide and wants to sweep my trans friends' right to exist under the rug. Fuck her. She deserved to lose.
And why the fuck did RFK jr still manage to get 718,693 votes when he bowed out 3 months ago?
Sources:
The left can't even put aside their own differences half the time, how is anyone going to expect them to orchestrate a presidential sabotage?
Again, not a numbers guy so forgive any errors here.
While I agree with everything you said, I also think it's important to remember that Clinton won the popular vote but lost to Trump in 2016.
The popular vote ultimately doesn't matter, but it did reflect how much people hate Harris.
Fair point.
need to re-run this analysis in swing states only for it to be convincing to libs
Death to America
It's been done and stein votes are nowhere close to Kamala. So instead, people have started accusing leftists of voting Trump directly because a few people did vote for both people like AOC and Trump... Generally low information voters with no concrete principles - just vibes about liking "outsiders", regardless of whether a supposed silver-spoon billionaire could ever even remotely consider an outside.
Dems: We need to dump our entire GOTV strategy into swing voters that will vote for either democrats or republicans.
Also Dems: Those swing voters splitting their ticket are pure evil.
"They're pure evil and we need their votes" is a certified Dem classic
haven't seen this re-done with final numbers
In Michigan Harris lost by 80K votes (netting 70K fewer votes than Biden in 2020), anti-genocide candidates got 50K (37K more than 2020)
In Wisconsin Harris lost by 29K votes (netting 30K more votes than Biden in 2020), anti-genocide candidates got 17K (16K more than in 2020)
In Pennsylvania Harris lost by 130K votes (netting 66K fewer than Biden in 2020), anti-genocide candidates got 34K (Greens were not on the ballot in 2020)
In North Carolina Harris lost by 190K votes (netting 4K more than Biden in 2020), anti-genocide candidates got 35K votes (23K more than 2020)
I'm not a statician by any means but my reading of the numbers is that Michigan seems to be the only of these states that you could argue that abstentions from 2020 plus the growth of anti-genocide parties could have actually cost Harris the state.
Edit: if every single voter in these states that the Dems lost between 2020 and 2024 voted for Harris, and every vote for anti-genocide candidates was a whole seperate vote for Harris (which is an absurd assumption), then the only one of these states that would flip to her would be Michigan. If Palestine was what drove all of these votes away from Harris (also an absurd assumption) then we can fairly conclusively say that the Democrats' position on Palestine did not cost them WI, PA, and NC.
ignores non-voters
If they didn't vote in 2020 then yes they are not included in these numbers because they're unlikely to be Democrats that got pushed away from the party because of events in Palestine. Those voters that voted for Biden in 2020 and abstained voting this time around are included in these numbers however.
In two of these states Harris actually got more votes than Biden did four years ago. The gain in North Carolina is small enough that maybe it could be explained by changes in population or demographics and if adjusted for that she would have received fewer votes than Biden in 2020. Otherwise it seems fairly safe to say for all of these states except maybe Michigan that recent events in Palestine did not drive voters away from the Democrats between 2020 and 2024 because the Democrat's losses from 2020 and third party voters don't amount to more than Trump's margin of victory.
Your argument hinges on people giving a fuck about the green party and PSL. I’m sorry, but the average person who has to commit to do elecotralism and stand in line for over 4 hours on a workday, they’re not voting for someone who has no chance of winning
I wasn't arguing a position, just pointing out that Michigan is really the only one of those states from the graphic that the numbers might suggest the possibility of Gaza playing a role in changing the outcome of the state election. I personally don't think it changed the outcome anywhere.
In arizona Kamabla lost by almost 200k, with all 3rd party votes (including libertarian) at around 35k
This is why all the lefties who panicked and voted cop shouldn't have.