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i'm in the dark on this; do you have info you can share?
Well, I got the impression, from what users Bynarsareok and mainly xiaohongshu are saying
For example:
https://hexbear.net/comment/5974420
I have a lot of respect for xiaohongshu but they're a compulsive doomer. By almost every observable metric China is either catching up to or overtaking the United States, yet in every other post I see of xiaohongshu they're doing the "The CCP is collapsing"/"Xi is finished" meme but from a Chinese communist perspective. Meanwhile every action of the US government is treated as a cunning strategy that we should by no means misinterpret as the tantrum of a declining empire led by failsons and TV show hosts.
The US are not gonna go down without a fight and they have a lot of brute force at their disposal, but they are crumbling in front of our very eyes. We can all see it. We can see their moronic leaders. Even liberals will agree that China is on the rise and the US is declining. I know we shouldn't underestimate our enemies but xiaohongshu is taking it to an absurd degree, everything that happens is somehow bad for China and good for the US and it was also planned by the US all along. They're clearly highly educated on the subjects they talk about, but I'm taking all of their conclusions, predictions and interpretations with a huge grain of salt.
Please provide a single example of me even saying that.
Everything I have said is at least based on published data from the Chinese side, and from actual policies published from the State Council of the PRC, and I gave literal explanations for why I think things are going the way they are based on these information, with arguments that are fully compatible with Marx (and I always laugh when people try to “reture” arguments I’ve given by regurgitating neoclassical nonsense).
You can disagree with my conclusions but I never said anything baseless or fabricated, and certainly not anything about “CCP collapsing” lol.
People always ask “why China didn’t do this or do that”, for example, why is China is even increasing the retirement age and we don’t get adequate welfare and free healthcare in China, when China already has the world’s largest productive capacity and are leading in robotics and automation? And I provided the logic - as best as I can as a lay person without insider knowledge - behind these decisions (i.e., the Chinese leadership aren’t naive or stupid) if you bother to read up what I have written.
If your model of China cannot explain that obvious disparity, then it’s clear that the model is wrong.
This. The only reason I even entertain their opinion is because it's coming from someone who speaks mandarin coming on an ultra-fringe far-left website where people tend to be china boosters (myself included) and giving a diverging opinion. If their take came from any mainstream publication (and sometimes their arguments ring close to michael pettis) I'd dismiss it outright.
Ridiculous. Pettis thinks that China is gaming the trade imbalance and caused de-industrialization in America. He is right about the balance of payments stuff but please don’t even try to equate my arguments with his. If you actually understood what I have written, they could not have been more different.
I am literally one of the few people on this site that says China is already strong enough to take on the US economically and financially, unlike others that still find excuses like “but China is still weak…. China needs more primitive accumulation of capital from Western countries first….”
For reference, China already has 31% of the global manufacturing capacity, compared to 18% in the US, and 5% for Germany and Japan each. If this is still not enough productive capacity, then our entire socialist project is doomed lol. How else are other Global South countries ever going to accumulate enough productive capacity? Surely one day, one day it will happen lol.
These are the same “leftists” that are regurgitating the same Western imperialist lines that “poor Global South countries have to export cheap goods to the West in order to pull themselves up by the bootstraps to become high income countries”. Be careful whose propaganda you are falling for.
Any other country, like Russia, that even tries to open themselves up to the West would have been instantly labeled as a “comprador state” on this site. I am literally providing an explanation - which may not be perfectly correct, but at least reasonable enough backed by evidence - on why China behaves the way it does.
It is. But i think the actual inflection point is being able to take on and defeat the US (and whatever other regional us ally) military head on with a high degree of certainty. Because with the current behavior of the US a more aggresive china leveraging its economic and industrial and financial superiority will very likely lead to a military confrontation. So chinese superiority must also be concrete in military capabilities as well. At least as far as tech and force generation and supperiority in SEA and up to Guam. Its likely that the US cant be kicked out of asia and Chinas backyard, and the reality of power in the erea cant permanently be changed to Chinas favor to a significant degree unless the US embarrassiny loses the war they or taiwn will start.
That inflection point based on current trends most likely will happen within the next 7-8 years. I personaly wait for a china that has completed its current energy and military revolution and then judge its assertiveness or lack ther off regarding the US empire.
Fair enough, i just read the "chinese people aren't consuming enough" point you make sometimes and think oh it's like what that failed nightclub owner turned economist who I have no reason to believe keeps saying
Bynarsareok is just some anti-China crank. 90% of their posts is just them crying about China. I swear they respond to half of my comments about China even though I almost never talk about China. And shipwreck has been wrong about US politics so many times I still don't understand why people put them on a pedestal at this point.
Meanwhile, MarmiteLover123 actually has a track record like predicting the collapse of Syria and how Iran would be vulnerable to Zionist jets. For months, MarmiteLover123 has written posts after posts about the West gradually positioning its military assets with the ultimate aim of an attack on Iran, meaning they predicted this attack by the IOF as well.
what's this?
That's a username for that Chapo user. The user is pessimistic of Lula's liberalism and China breaking out of that net exporter role.