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Is this how it's gonna be, news heads? (hexbear.net)
submitted 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) by Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net
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China compromised. It eschewed de-dollarization to continue a dollar based export economy under the more liberal faction (Li Qiang...)

Russia compromised. It seems the same happens with liberal faction overtaking the war economy faction

And to be caught pants down with that Ukrainians drone attack

Iran compromised. The Sunni coalition and Amrikkka surround it and its allies like eagles while Israel bombs it with little reprecussion, with Baathists and nearly Hezbollah neutralized.

That isn't to say their war is lost but that there's no salvation from them outside, anytime soon shrug-outta-hecks

All the while, creeps back in this petty pace of life, fascism in the full flesh, in the west.

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow

Edit: I could be wrong but I don't wanna be disappointed at this point

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[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Iran respects international law way too much

[–] kotak_doost@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe they were the libs all along :(

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

Lmao

Another Day Another Banger

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago

Kinda feels like decades of anti-imperialist struggle is going to be all for naught because of feckless liberals

But lets wait and see what Iran does. Im not holding my breath though.

[–] companero@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Russia is still on track to win in Ukraine, and I won't write off China just yet. In this anarchic world order, military power is all that truly matters, and China is continuing to build theirs steadily.

The Resistance is absolutely fucked though. I'd love for them to make a comeback, but I just don't see it happening after Lebanon, Syria, and now this.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, Russia's still good but China? Eh, I'd flip a coin on them really being a challenge to the US, rather than trying to return to being competitors yet partners

[–] companero@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

Even if they take the US cuck deal, that could be seen as a deliberate choice to sacrifice raw GDP for the ability to continue building their military at full speed. Which means it's very temporary until a more permanent situation can be achieved.

[–] ihaveibs@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You say yourself that fascism is creeping in again; fascism is capital's response to mortal threat. Things are not going well for the west, 2008 was a mortal wound that is still bleeding out the US world order. The new world struggles to be born, shouldn't that be reason for optimism?

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

The new world struggles to be born, shouldn't that be reason for optimism?

Hm, you have a point. But I don't want to expect too much, from the decline of the western and its fascist reaction and self-harming spiral.

There have been many opportunities, after all, for the western capitalist clique to fall but they've returned back, there and then (eg. post-WWI and post-WW2).

We're just past the trough of one point, and now soon to meet the rising action that might do it in. But until we meet the climax of it, I don't wanna be too bloom or doom.

Anyways, Iran's responding back to Israeli strikes, innit?

[–] CeliacMcCarthy@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

hey at least democrats are reclaiming the american flag

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago

I find that the first 2 are not worth doming over, you're probably watching those events from too up closely to see the big picture. The resistance situation is genuinely dreadful though.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

China compromised. It eschewed de-dollarization to continue a dollar based export economy under the more liberal faction (Li Qiang…)

i'm in the dark on this; do you have info you can share?

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Well, I got the impression, from what users Bynarsareok and mainly xiaohongshu are saying

For example:

https://hexbear.net/comment/5974420

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I have a lot of respect for xiaohongshu but they're a compulsive doomer. By almost every observable metric China is either catching up to or overtaking the United States, yet in every other post I see of xiaohongshu they're doing the "The CCP is collapsing"/"Xi is finished" meme but from a Chinese communist perspective. Meanwhile every action of the US government is treated as a cunning strategy that we should by no means misinterpret as the tantrum of a declining empire led by failsons and TV show hosts.

The US are not gonna go down without a fight and they have a lot of brute force at their disposal, but they are crumbling in front of our very eyes. We can all see it. We can see their moronic leaders. Even liberals will agree that China is on the rise and the US is declining. I know we shouldn't underestimate our enemies but xiaohongshu is taking it to an absurd degree, everything that happens is somehow bad for China and good for the US and it was also planned by the US all along. They're clearly highly educated on the subjects they talk about, but I'm taking all of their conclusions, predictions and interpretations with a huge grain of salt.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

every other post I see of xiaohongshu they're doing the "The CCP is collapsing"/"Xi is finished" meme

Please provide a single example of me even saying that.

Everything I have said is at least based on published data from the Chinese side, and from actual policies published from the State Council of the PRC, and I gave literal explanations for why I think things are going the way they are based on these information, with arguments that are fully compatible with Marx (and I always laugh when people try to “reture” arguments I’ve given by regurgitating neoclassical nonsense).

You can disagree with my conclusions but I never said anything baseless or fabricated, and certainly not anything about “CCP collapsing” lol.

People always ask “why China didn’t do this or do that”, for example, why is China is even increasing the retirement age and we don’t get adequate welfare and free healthcare in China, when China already has the world’s largest productive capacity and are leading in robotics and automation? And I provided the logic - as best as I can as a lay person without insider knowledge - behind these decisions (i.e., the Chinese leadership aren’t naive or stupid) if you bother to read up what I have written.

If your model of China cannot explain that obvious disparity, then it’s clear that the model is wrong.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They're clearly highly educated on the subjects they talk about, but I'm taking all of their conclusions, predictions and interpretations with a huge grain of salt.

This. The only reason I even entertain their opinion is because it's coming from someone who speaks mandarin coming on an ultra-fringe far-left website where people tend to be china boosters (myself included) and giving a diverging opinion. If their take came from any mainstream publication (and sometimes their arguments ring close to michael pettis) I'd dismiss it outright.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

and sometimes their arguments ring close to michael pettis

Ridiculous. Pettis thinks that China is gaming the trade imbalance and caused de-industrialization in America. He is right about the balance of payments stuff but please don’t even try to equate my arguments with his. If you actually understood what I have written, they could not have been more different.

I am literally one of the few people on this site that says China is already strong enough to take on the US economically and financially, unlike others that still find excuses like “but China is still weak…. China needs more primitive accumulation of capital from Western countries first….”

For reference, China already has 31% of the global manufacturing capacity, compared to 18% in the US, and 5% for Germany and Japan each. If this is still not enough productive capacity, then our entire socialist project is doomed lol. How else are other Global South countries ever going to accumulate enough productive capacity? Surely one day, one day it will happen lol.

These are the same “leftists” that are regurgitating the same Western imperialist lines that “poor Global South countries have to export cheap goods to the West in order to pull themselves up by the bootstraps to become high income countries”. Be careful whose propaganda you are falling for.

Any other country, like Russia, that even tries to open themselves up to the West would have been instantly labeled as a “comprador state” on this site. I am literally providing an explanation - which may not be perfectly correct, but at least reasonable enough backed by evidence - on why China behaves the way it does.

[–] geikei@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I am literally one of the few people on this site that says China is already strong enough to take on the US economically and financially.

It is. But i think the actual inflection point is being able to take on and defeat the US (and whatever other regional us ally) military head on with a high degree of certainty. Because with the current behavior of the US a more aggresive china leveraging its economic and industrial and financial superiority will very likely lead to a military confrontation. So chinese superiority must also be concrete in military capabilities as well. At least as far as tech and force generation and supperiority in SEA and up to Guam. Its likely that the US cant be kicked out of asia and Chinas backyard, and the reality of power in the erea cant permanently be changed to Chinas favor to a significant degree unless the US embarrassiny loses the war they or taiwn will start.

That inflection point based on current trends most likely will happen within the next 7-8 years. I personaly wait for a china that has completed its current energy and military revolution and then judge its assertiveness or lack ther off regarding the US empire.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Fair enough, i just read the "chinese people aren't consuming enough" point you make sometimes and think oh it's like what that failed nightclub owner turned economist who I have no reason to believe keeps saying

[–] Boise_Idaho@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

Bynarsareok is just some anti-China crank. 90% of their posts is just them crying about China. I swear they respond to half of my comments about China even though I almost never talk about China. And shipwreck has been wrong about US politics so many times I still don't understand why people put them on a pedestal at this point.

Meanwhile, MarmiteLover123 actually has a track record like predicting the collapse of Syria and how Iran would be vulnerable to Zionist jets. For months, MarmiteLover123 has written posts after posts about the West gradually positioning its military assets with the ultimate aim of an attack on Iran, meaning they predicted this attack by the IOF as well.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bynarsareok

what's this?

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

That's a username for that Chapo user. The user is pessimistic of Lula's liberalism and China breaking out of that net exporter role.

[–] LaughingLion@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

China has a ten year plan to modernize their military. Part of their deal with the USA is de-escalation regarding Chinese Taipei most likely. Probably the same for the South China Sea and Philippines. They don't want that can of worms opened yet. Additionally, China absolutely bent the USA over. The USA will be buying all those minerals from China now. And China doesn't have to buy American beef or soy. Americans are getting taxed and we won't be doing anything about it because we can't. We have to eat that.

Russia is winning the war and nothing has changed there. Its always been a matter of time. Ukraine has big flashy explosions that tend not to give them any strategic advantage but instead just look good in headlines. Russia changed strategies early on when the west decided to fund this and are grinding out attrition that Ukraine can't handle.

Iran is currently in the middle of its third salvo against targets in the heart of Israel. 300+ missiles and more have been launched and still ongoing. Dozens of confirmed hits on valuable targets. Tehran finally overcame the cyber attack on their defense systems and are now intercepting Israeli missiles and drones with accuracy. Meanwhile the Israeli air defenses are starting to waver big time. Plus we haven't even seen if Iran plans to target US assets.

I think you've missed the mark here.

[–] deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah, idk what this OP is on and about

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[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

It makes me so depressed

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'm guessing I'm a bit of an outsider to this community and although I usually keep up with the news I don't dig super deep in any particular direction.

But my take is that any of the regimes mentioned here would jump at the opportunity to be imperialist and already do. I think it's the fundamental rule of the game that they all play.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

The attitude of "If we don't do it to them, they'll do it to us" is how most atrocities in history were justified.

[–] sodium_nitride@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

But my take is that any of the regimes mentioned here would jump at the opportunity to be imperialist

This take is based on what though?

I think it's the fundamental rule of the game that they all play.

This is a very "the status quo is forever" type of thinking. The feudal states also believed in such narratives during the rise of capitalist powers.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago

I think it's the fundamental rule of the game that they all play.

This is a very "the status quo is forever" type of thinking. The feudal states also believed in such narratives during the rise of capitalist powers.

i'm not sure i agree with the ee commenter (certainly wouldn't use "regime" like that) but i think it's within reason to say about capitalist geopolitics in this "end of history" period. if there's a global hegemon and it is capitalist then why would we expect anything else from them? china hopefully doing something else by virtue of not having capitalists in charge unless they cook up a business plot.

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

I know. I don't like either and hope it can change but I think it's what is happening.