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[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago (10 children)

It would be a little strange to eat ice cream from consensually milked women tbh

[–] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 86 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well then you definitely don't wanna google that.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

OK I'll add that to the list of things I'll never google.

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

You should live a little and Google it ;)

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why?

If the women are fine with it, get a wage from it and can quit any time they choose to, where is the problem?

And just to add to the pile: humans can lactate without the need for pregnancy - even males - and some women can develop a condition called hyperlactation where the body goes full throttle on producing milk, beyond any needs of an infant. And never stop, in very extreme cases.

Sounds a good deal more sustainable and fair than cows milk and a heck lot more efficient than milking trees.

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Maybe I'm being cynical but I think humans would find a way to exploit this market and make women suffer, just like we can do with cattle.

Inject women with hormones to make them produce more milk is an example I can think of.

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is why we need a strong, massive milkers union

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Do you mean milk producers union?

Because the milkers would be those paying for the milk to resell it.

[–] sparky678348@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No the milkers are the titties, they were trying to be clever.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] sparky678348@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No it was a stretch, I'll let this one pass

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

Thank you. Very courteous of you.

[–] BlemboTheThird@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No I'm talking about some serious mommy milkers

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

No kinky business

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To my knowledge, the use of hormones in milk cattle is banned. And hormones in humans have severe life lasting side effects.

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

And hormones in humans have severe life lasting side effects.

Not having hormones has pretty severe effects. Women who've gone through menopause (or had ovaries removed) and don't produce hormones often get prescribed hormones to prevent things like osteoporosis. Men with low testosterone get prescribed it. Children who don't produce hormones don't go through puberty--in the past, they castrated boys with pretty voices so they'd never have their voice break, and that had severe health consequences on the boys turned into eunuchs.

I'm saying all of this because when it comes to "hormones", you kinda have to be specific. You can't just throw it out there like, "oOooOO! Hormones! Scary!" Otherwise you get into a realm similar to how people hear "dihydrogen monoxide" and don't make the connection between the "scary science word" and the fact that dihydrogen monoxide is water and is necessary for life.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

Sometimes I really hate the english language...

Back there, when I mention hormones, it is implied it is non necessary for the normal functioning of the organism.

In my language, using the word "hormones" in a conversation immediatly carries the meaning it is something artificially added, like hormone therapy for menopausal women or hormone therapy for transgender individuals or even for people with thyroid problems.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If they pay hazard pay and people willingly contribute, what’s the issue?

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

At first glance, none.

But then "willingness" and "money" rarely mix well. Yeah, there are humans "willing" to be paid for their plasma but it's a marginalized part of the population trying to have just enough money to survive.

I'm sorry. I'm trying not to ruin the meme any further.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People donate blood, plasma, sperm and breast milk from all walks of life already. Some get paid too.

If you want it to be about a particular group in can be, but even well off people donate/get money for their bodily fluids.

[–] new_guy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Donation is one thing completely different than selling their fluids. There's no incentive to exploit people when there's not a payback in cash.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And people sell them too already. They aren’t exploited.

Yeah there will be people that try to abuse it, that applies to literally everything in life and should never be the reason to not do something.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's the definition of exploitation

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Unless they are forced to it can’t be exploitation.

Now if they work health benefits into instead of just paying better wages, that would be more on the exploitation side. But thats the bad eggs ruining it for the other 98% that don’t abuse it.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

it's definitely exploitation. you just don't like the connotation. they are being exploited for their blood just like a well is exploited for oil a mountain is exploited for minerals and forests are exploited for wood.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Exploit has multiple meanings, exploiting a resource and exploiting someone in an underhand or unfair way do have the same phrase to explain them. But exploiting a resource is obviously much different than treating workers unfairly.

Verbs and nouns typically have different meanings for the same word, maybe time for an English refresher.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I'm using it correctly. don't be condescending. you might think it's a fair exploitation, but it's exploitation nonetheless.

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[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

since you clearly went to a dictionary, you can see none of the definitions even mention "force".

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are other words in the definitions that mean the same.

What do you think unfair and underhanded means….?

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

to be clear, my definition is correct, and you are objecting to the connotation of other definitions. this is very much your problem .

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

mounds and greens have nothing to do with this. we are only using the transitive verb here.

[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And if they are paid fairly it’s not exploitation anymore. That’s their decision to make, not yours.

[–] federatingIsTooHard@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

pay isn't part of the definition of exploitation, either

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

Males do not lactate if human. Some others do. Humans males might suffer from Galactorrhea as well as some females.

[–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I once went to an ice cream fair where local women had collected their breast milk to make a breast milk ice cream. It was actually delicious

[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

I think you just awakened something in me

[–] don@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago

Strangely, there exist those who would find it to be the furthest thing from strange, jsyk

[–] Sagifurius@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So a few years a go, an old friend i was visiting asked if i wanted cream in my coffee. She checked the upstairs fridge, then went downstairs and came back with glass of milk. Halfway through my coffee i started to wonder why she was hiding a grin. Yes, she had a three month old.

[–] idiomaddict@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

That’s really fucked up to do to someone without telling them

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But from a non consusual women is fine. Gotcha.

[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not exactly lol I was thinking from a consensually milked livestock but it’s all a little weird sounding isn’t it? Lol

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[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] qooqie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

That’s gonna be a no from me dawg lmao

[–] SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Only a little strange?

[–] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Human milk is only really strange to us because we normalized drinking cow milk. I see no reason why it'd be odd for zotopia animals to drink cow milk as well. If anything I'd imagine they'd consider the idea of adults drinking milk childish. Irl most adult animals are lactose intolerant so I'd imagine most likely the ice cream in the movie is just sherbet. Ice cream in this universe is probably a dessert for children.