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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 529 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Headline is kind of funny, but I wanted to know what he shot at

In body cam footage shared across social media, the officer was seen jumping to the ground and shouted “shots fired” after the acorn strikes the roof of his car. He then turned and emptied every bullet from his gun, each aimed squarely at his squad car.

Funny again...

While Hernandez fired on the car, Marquis Jackson, who was accused of stealing his girlfriend’s car, was in the back of the police cruiser. Officers had searched, handcuffed and loaded the accused into the back of the police car and, despite being cuffed, it was Jackson that the officer thought was shooting at him.

Nope, he was trying to kill someone handcuffed in the back of his squad car and had already been searched for weapons.

Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 282 points 9 months ago (3 children)

He also yelled "I'm hit" while unloading on his own vehicle.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 278 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Same as when they think they're doing on fentanyl...

After hearing the sound of the acorn, the deputy reported that he also felt a “tingliness” all along the side of his body. He then said his “legs just give out” and he fell to the ground, assuming that he had been seriously injured by something.

Because of this, the video also showed Hernandez complaining about feeling “weird” and shouting to his colleague that he’s been hit. It’s all very dramatic.

Cops are constantly terrified because of their training, so they panic and mistake a panic attack for something else.

Being a cop sucks so much (because of their own leadership and culture) that good qualified people do t want to be a cop. So we end up with these fragile snowflakes that shouldn't be allowed to carry at all. Let alone be a cop

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 108 points 9 months ago (3 children)

These idiots are so convinced that merely touching fentanyl will make them collapse that it actually happens to them.

If fentanyl was that strong, people would buy one bag and it would last for like a year.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Just so we're clear, those cops were tested after that ordeal and had absolutely zero fentanyl in their system.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 9 months ago

And the tingling he felt was just piss running down his leg.

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Imagine a drug you only had to touch. You'd never run out!

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

What? I always ran out of LSD and all you have to do is touch it because it's skin permeable.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

True, but fentanyl is generally not. They do make fentanyl patches, but casual exposure, like a cop touching a tiny bit of fentanyl, will not result in fentanyl being absorbed.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

I know this, but I was responding to the idea that a drug you could touch and get high from would somehow last forever.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Please don't take away my dream of endless LSD.

[–] Garak@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Get yourself a degree in chemistry and you'll be able to make a lifetime supply.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

I know. I just felt clarification was necessary for people who don't understand the difference.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's just because you don't know how to make it, and they are selling it to you a few drops at a time. I believe the ingredients are actually pretty cheap. Chemistry students make it.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Sell a man some LSD and he trips for a day. Teach a man to make LSD and he trips for a lifetime!

[–] ivanafterall@kbin.social 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, right. I don't believe you. HOW would they do that? What steps could they possibly take!? What ingredients would they need and where would they even get them!?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

We need details, dammit.

More seriously, a friend of mine was a chem student, and he says pretty much every one of his classmates knows how to run off 2 liters of LSD. Which should be enough to send every horse on the planet straight to the moon.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 months ago

Maybe LSA, but probably not LSD.

Synthesizing the drug isn't the issue, as long as you have the right equipment and knowledge. The difficult part is getting the correct precursor chemicals.

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[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

Not quite. Drugs that can be absorbed through the skin, well, they get absorbed.

It's not an infinite drugs glitch, just like powdered Fentanyl can't be absorbed through the skin.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yeah... I am sure there are some idiots who believe in the horrors of fentanyl.

The reality is it is a catch all to excuse all the other drugs in their systems. If someone notices a cop is clearly amped up on amphetamines then the reality is that someone in the tri-state area had a single particle of fentanyl on them and THAT is why the cop who just killed four people is alternating between growling and crying while looking even sweatier than alex jones.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

good people get fired as cops because they hesitate to shoot unarmed people and won't lie for officers doing questionable things.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

My goodness what a fucking snowflake. Maybe you shouldn't be in the profession if you're "scared shitless" 99% of the time. But we all know that's a cover for them. They love killing people.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago

...fragile snowflakes that shouldn't be allowed to carry at all.

Yeah but deputy tacticool has holo sights. Not wasted on him at all.

Poor Durango.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 24 points 9 months ago

"It hit my vest" and "I feel weird". Them be signs that his fat ass has coronary artery disease. Fucking Okaloosa County. Good riddance. Don't miss it.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Is he trying to use the South Park ‘He’s coming right for us’ defense?

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

Aren't they all?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 79 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even if he wasn't trying to kill Marquis Jackson, he clearly didn't care if he killed him.

[–] quirzle@kbin.social 43 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You don't mag dump like that if you don't care. He very much was trying to kill him.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You do if you're an idiot and a coward.

[–] quirzle@kbin.social 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Would just be an idiot and a coward trying to kill a man.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I am not saying he definitely wasn't trying to kill Mr. Jackson intentionally. I'm saying that the other possibility is that he's a stupid coward that empties his clip at his own car because he's terrified and doesn't think about and/or care that there's a person in his car.

Was he intending to kill Mr. Jackson? Maybe. That's definitely not an unlikely possibility. But I think stupid cowardice where the motive wasn't murder is also not unlikely because cops are stupid cowards.

[–] quirzle@kbin.social 4 points 9 months ago

I got ya. I'm agreeing that he's a coward and an idiot, but disagreeing that he might not have been trying to murder a guy. He might not have believed it was murder, because of the idiot part...but the video convinced me he was intentionally trying to kill the unarmed man in the back of his car.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 months ago

... who's handcuffed in your backseat.

The utter stupidity of cops astounds me daily. One would think I'd be used to it now, and yet ...

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

this is their training. its SOP to do exactly this.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So they've been trained to murder and endanger the public?

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Pretty much. Did he have a clean backdrop? Nah. He was in a fucking neighborhood

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[–] Beldarofremulak@lemmy.world 60 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I deal with PTSD vets every day so I understand the snap buuuuut.... No one else gets to get away with a slap on the wrist because of their mental illness so fuckem

[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 58 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. The "having PTSD" part isn't what should be punished, it's the "and yet still carrying a gun while putting yourself in a position to have your PTSD triggered like this" part that's egregious.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 10 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Well, Philip Brailsford, the murderer who murdered Daniel Shaver, claimed PTSD for murdering Daniel so he could draw on his pension and retire early. Because he murdered someone and it hurt his fee-fees.

Fuck that.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I mean. Being in combat and being a cop are two different things.

Maybe this guy was in a shootout and has PTSD, maybe this is the only time he's ever fired on duty and he's just a coward who panicked.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

During the course of the investigation into the shooting, deputy Herandez resigned from the force.

[–] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh wow. Good for him. I'm honestly surprised.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Many times cops retire to avoid being investigated and move to a different department.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

And most of us would still wait for an actual target in a built up area.

[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 2 points 9 months ago

No where in the article does it mention PTSD.

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[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Cop should at least be facing reckless endangerment, if not attempted murder.

The review board found his conduct was not reasonable; so, it'll be up to the prosecutor (which I'm sure in FL is an office eager to go after cops). The other officer, who began shooting after the officer wearing the bodycam in the OP began shooting, was found to have acted reasonably.

Essentially, you can't think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn't make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nah, it kind of makes sense for the second guy.

Remember, he's not getting triggered by the acorn, he's reacting to his coworker yelling that they've been shot and actual gunfire. That's a justified reason to pull out your weapon IMO

Granted, he should've tried to take control of the situation and de-escalate so he could "save" his panicked coworker, but that kind of calmness "under fire" would take actual training

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It does mean that the assisting officers aren't required to actually confirm their target, though.

What if this was real. If a 3rd party shot at them. 1st officer fires, blindly assuming it's the perp in cuffs in the car. 2nd cop shoots and kills perp in car because he saw that's what his partner was shooting at. When, in this hypothetical scenario, it was really a 3rd party that wasn't identified yet, which would be the only plausible source of a gun shot anyway since the perp was already searched and cuffed.

That doesn't make sense to me, but that's how they're trained. Ride or die with their comrads. Once the first shot is fired, it's shoot first and ask questions later for all additional officers.

That's not good policy. That's not good for civilians.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

Essentially, you can’t think an acorn is a bullet and get away with shooting at a detained and secured civilian. But, if another officer on scene thinks, even unreasonably so, that an acorn is a bullet and starts shooting at a detained and secured civilian, you can too. If this doesn’t make a lot of sense to you, take that as reassurance that your critical thinking remains, at least partially, intact.

IIRC Sympathetic Fire seems to be insta-forgiveness (by other police and the courts) whenever it comes up.

As one example, I think it played a role in the Daniel Shaver case, but it's been a long time since I read all those details and I really don't want to dive into that pool of anger and sadness again to verify.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Keep in mind, this is Florida. It is perfectly legal to murder anybody if you can prove that you felt threatened.