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The first presidential debate is done and the aftermath has not been good for the incumbent, Joe Biden.

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside. Some floated the possibility of going to the White House and publicly stating concerns about him remaining as candidate.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open (Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Chicago from August 19-22.

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[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 99 points 4 months ago (5 children)
[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 71 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The guy is an effective cheerleader for any cause he really believes in. I mean he almost singlehandedly extended benefits to 9/11 first responders on the strength of his eloquence.

Thing is he doesn't want to do it. Which makes me want him to do it even more. Something about great leaders not seeking power but having it thrust upon them in times of need like a George Washington

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I know he doesn't want to run which just like you only makes me want him to run even more. He's smart enough to know that he doesn't know everything and never will.So he will surround himself with people who know what they're talking about and listen to their advice.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 14 points 4 months ago

Sounds like the perfect leader.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

Stewart (and Colbert) are literally a clown (TV Comedian) who is refusing to ever make a serious political moves. Neither of them have any legislative experience or executive experience either.

The fact that modern people always choose TV Personalities (like Trump, Stewart and Colbert) is part of the same problem of ignorance of our Political system and what this job even freaken entails.

[–] tal 33 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Stewart (and Colbert) are literally a clown

what this job even freaken entails.

You know Volodymyr Zelenskyy, current president of Ukraine?

He's a comedian who did a political satire TV series about being president of Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

Born to a Ukrainian Jewish family, Zelenskyy grew up as a native Russian speaker in Kryvyi Rih, a major city of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast in central Ukraine. Before his acting career, he obtained a degree in law from the Kyiv National Economic University. He then pursued a comedy career and created the production company Kvartal 95, which produced films, cartoons, and TV shows including the TV series Servant of the People, in which Zelenskyy played a fictional Ukrainian president. The series aired from 2015 to 2019 and was immensely popular. A political party with the same name as the TV show was created in March 2018 by employees of Kvartal 95.

EDIT: Darn, someone else apparently mentioned it as well, checking their link. I'm still gonna leave this text up, though.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Ah, but Robbin Williams didn't go on a year later to actually BECOME president.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Modern? where do you think Reagan came from? At least Stewart and Colbert are versed in the political and policy stuff from having been immersed in it for decades.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Strange that an ailing old man has his administration behind him to do all the gruntwork but an actually popular candidate wouldn't

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why wouldn't they have an administration? Any president will hire a cabinet and advisors.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, indeed. So really what you need from a president is a trustworthy image and a baseline moral character, because all the actual governance minutiae is handled by the staff.

So why is it that all these people come out of the woodwork to insist the president NEEDS to be mired in one of the most corrupt political systems in the developed world?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Because a leader does need to be present. They aren't just a face in front of their staff.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Al Franken graduated cum laude with a poli sci degree from Harvard. I'll let Jon Stewart himself tell you about his education.

"My college career was waking up late, memorizing someone else's notes, doing bong hits, and going to soccer practice"

[–] tal 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

George Washington wasn't able to attend school after the age of 11, because his father died and he had to take over running the family farm.

https://www.georgewashington.org/education.jsp

Despite being the Commander in Chief of the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War, the President of the Constitutional Convention, and the first President of the United States, George Washington's level of education was far lower than any of the other Founding Fathers of the United States. In fact, he was often scorned by some of the other Founding Fathers for this inadequacy. However, this lack of education was not George Washington's fault. Upon the death of George Washington's father in 1743, George's formal schooling ended. He is thought to have attended the nearby grammar school run by Reverend James Marye, the rector of St. George's Parish, up until this time. Therefore, the extent of young George's formal educational training was in basic mathematics, reading, and writing.

Although his older half-brothers had the opportunity to gain a formal education over in England at the Appleby School, George was required to take on the responsibility of running the family farm after his father's death.

On this list, every ranking places him as the highest-ranked President to ever serve other than one that places him at #2 and one that places him at #3:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

That was 200 years ago. I'm comparing Jon Stewart to one of his contemporaries, in the modern era.

This wasn't about Stewart anyway. My point was that Al Franken is a bad example of an entertainer breaking I to politics, because with his background it was entertainment that was the abberation.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Didn't stop Donald Trump or Ronald Regan.

My point is that there's more bad examples of Hollywood Actors or Reality TV stars becoming President for the worse of America, than the reverse.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 months ago

You have two counter examples, and one of them was incredibly successful, just for the side where success is bad for the country. Reagan wasn't ineffective, he was effective for evil purposes.

[–] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

If wielding power in our “democracy” is so complicated that we must exclude non-experts isn’t that an indictment of our democracy? What is it about the legislative and executive process that people are ignorant of?

While I am skeptical of the celebrity as politician trend which has been prominent over the last few decades; especially on the right. I don’t think lack of experience is the problem with the trend.

Put aside what you think about Trump’s political project for a moment. He was effective at giving conservatives what they wanted. Tax cuts and Supreme Court seats. Despite having zero legislative and executive experience. You could say the same thing about Reagan and perhaps Schwarzenegger.

I agree, expecting a strongman to come in and save us from all our political issues is problematic. We shouldn’t recreate feudalism. We need to learn to organize ourselves into a base of democratic power that we can wield towards our broad economic interests.

But at the same time our media apparatus runs on spectacle, it takes someone with the charisma of John Stewart to be taken seriously by mainstream power brokers. Perhaps he could breakthrough the spectacle and kickstart a new progressive era that could enable those democratic ends.

Because the alternative to charisma for gaining political legitimacy is going through the political system. And the longer you’re in that system the more time that system has to influence you towards ends that want to stop progress. Just look at Jamal Bowman and John Fetterman.

Hey, it worked for Ukraine.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

Perhaps, but even with these alleged shortcomings, either would be so much better equipped for the job than the 2 senile geezers.

[–] charade_you_are@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

very much doubt Stewart would want to finish himself off doing a presidential term

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

I know he doesn't want too which is another reason why I want him. He could announce himself right now and still pull tons of votes to be a threat to both parties.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago

If the Democrats could ever get to that choice it would be an autowin and an instant rejuvenation for the party.

[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I'm tempted to really believe in Biden taking the loss and just going absolutely balls to the walls with harsh ads aimed at the GOP and Trump, hitting dozens of speaker events at high levels of energy, and becoming what we wish the Democratic party would become to win this thing.

Realistically though, I'd prefer a sound, harder left leaning, less bipartisan nominee. It's a safer and surer bet, unfortunately.