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[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 146 points 4 months ago (10 children)
[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Bernie is too old, she'd be my top pick in Congress by far.

But the Party probably wants to go maximum hail corporate neoliberal, especially when there isn't a pesky primary to deal with, because thats what they're paid to do.

You know, someone who will come to continue to protect our beloved economy... from our society and the needs of our people. Better than fascism, but just extending the meaningless subsistence in service to the owner class.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 34 points 4 months ago (22 children)

AOC isn’t even in the conversation though. I think she’d face fierce opposition to even getting the nomination. She’s a pretty divisive figure.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 51 points 4 months ago (3 children)

She’s a pretty divisive figure.

Not for anything she does, AFAICT.

[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Republicans are terrified of her. She's young, attractive, charismatic, outspoken, and intelligent to say nothing of her being a woman of color. They are giving her the full Hillary treatment. It seems like she'll be a bit harder for them to tarnish that way, but not for lack of trying.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, I agree, but we ought to draw a distinction between someone who acts divisively from someone who's the target of the right-wing hate machine.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

But we never do.

[–] Twinklebreeze@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

she'll be a bit harder for them to tarnish that way

Well Hillary is only one or two of those traits you listed. I like Hillary, but she is not charismatic. I think she had good policy sense and could have been an excellent president, but policy doesn't win elections.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 14 points 4 months ago

I should be clear I’m talking about public perception here, not my personal opinions or any assessment of her policies.

[–] JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When she voted to disallow train workers striking was pretty disheartening. Who'd expect someone so pro-worker to knock the teeth out of a union.

[–] eguidarelli@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago

Probably voted that way because she was assured Biden would continue to hammer out a better deal for the rail union, which he did! Better healthcare, more PTO, and the addition of paid sick days!

Here’s the article right from the rail union thanking Biden for not giving up on their fight. https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid#:~:text=These%2012%20unions%20represent%20more,agreement%20for%20paid%20sick%20leave.%E2%80%9D

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The fact that she’s a conservative bogeyman is kind of besides the point. The neoliberal, corporate-friendly leadership of the DNC would NEVER let her get close to the nomination. They did the same thing to Bernie 8 and 4 years ago.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 4 months ago

That’s exactly what I was referring to.

To be clear, the Democratic leadership is not all powerful. The people can push through a nominee leadership hates if we unite. But given the nature of this nomination process, party leaders have an exceptional amount of power this year, and the people have very little.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

She's a "radical" to centrists

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Wha...what do you mean not in the conversation, you are literally conversing with someone about her, on a front page post about her. She is popular, and no presidential candidate has ever not been divisive. Not being trump is divisive.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 months ago

The conversation among those who will decide the nominee. I’ve not heard anyone seriously discuss this outside of online forums.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So what if she’s divisive? Trumps running mate called him hitler at one point. No one wanted Trump, he came in and won the voters hearts with his vision, grotesque as it may be for other people. People want certainty and vision in uncertain times.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Narrowly and due to lies, intimidation, and structural advantages the right has in this country. Wouldn’t work for the left.

Besides, I was just saying that we the people aren’t really making this decision, and the ones that are won’t pick AOC.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I get your point, but I was saying that the RNC was super anti-Trump to start

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Oh well I actually agree that the left can push through a candidate that party leaders dislike if we got organized. But usually the left isn’t very good at that, and there’s no time to do so in this specific case.

[–] JCF@twit.social 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@LibertyLizard @pearsaltchocolatebar
Lol, it's what happens when you speak truth to power.
I'd vote for her because of a myriad of reasons though.
She is the future of the party.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe maybe not but there’s 0 chance she’ll be the nominee this year.

[–] JCF@twit.social 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

@LibertyLizard

Agreed, it's not in anyone's interest to test the supreme court ATM.
I said it once here, a couple times before, & I've said it a few times in passing conversation in person. I would vote for AOC and I think she's wonderful. 👍

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago

I like her too but I personally am not sure her popularity is broad enough to be president. But we’ll see. I hope you’re right.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

She gets labeled as "divisive" because she's a woman and she's not a centrist. Name one woman who gets listed as a potential candidate and isn't under this same garbage rhetoric.

To be clear, women can and should still be scrutinized, but not to the point where the only woman who would be a great presidential candidate is the most perfect candidate who ever lived.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

yeah but the democratic party would rather lose the election than nominate her.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

AOC is standing with Biden, as is Bernie Sanders.

Fucking Fox and CNN are calling for Biden to step down.

That doesn't seem strange to you?

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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

And Katy Porter

[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I don’t want AOC to run yet. She’s got a long political career ahead of her and folks tend to bow out of politics after they’re president.

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

She would be an amazing elder statesperson after her time in office. I hope to some day see it.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We should bring back the idea of a former president running for senator. Show the world that the President isn't any more special than Congress.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 5 points 4 months ago

Just not anyone old enough to collect social security. We should also bring back the idea that retirement means actually not working anymore.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is there any reason she couldn’t serve a different position after 2 terms as president?

[–] audiomodder@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago

No reason, it’s just the way things tend to be.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It’s she old enough right now? Can she be a candidate at 34 if she will be 35 before Jan?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes. The age requirement is for serving, not for running.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

She's 35 on October 13th. Fully qualified.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

She'd be the best populist candidate, since Bernie is too close in age to Biden. I also think she could really drum up support with her charisma. The only way to fight a populist like Trump is with another populist. Remember how far Bernie got with his campaigns that refused to take corporate money?

Honestly, the only people that would get in her way are the same DINO Democrats who didn't get behind Bernie. Funny how the progressives in the Democratic party are always the ones who are told to compromise and vote for the centrist and never the other way around.

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