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[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 81 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I think the saddest thing about modern American engineering and tech is that they would all be fucking psyched about Chinese tech and cars if they were born in China. Like, the only reason these people are so blinkered about China is because they were born in the U.S.

They are so sure that they can see past the propaganda, that they are just eating shit the whole way down.

[–] AcidLeaves@hexbear.net 79 points 4 months ago (6 children)

pretty sure the saddest thing about modern American engineering and tech is that most of it is used for either military weapons of mass death or software tools of unimaginable surveillance and data collection

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

Nah, that's just scary and pretty par for the course, not sad.

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 75 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

phoenix-objection-1phoenix-objection-2 objection

All of the "amazing" Chinese cars pictured in the article are full of touchscreen infotainment systems. China is cooked as well.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I am here to tell you that america communists are wildly out of touch with the consumption tastes of the average Chinese public.

Not that we aren't right to be cynical about our own engineers achieving the same results as Chinese manufacturing.

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 60 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Touchscreens are ludicrously dangerous interfaces for cars that have basically only proliferated because of techbro dipshits mucking about with things they don't understand. Cars need fixed controls that provide physical feedback and which don't require reading or light to operate. Like that's not a matter of taste, that's a basic "this is usable and safe" thing.

[–] macerated_baby_presidents@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

that have basically only proliferated because of techbro dipshits mucking about with things they don't understand

I hate touchscreens too, but the reason they're so prevalent is they're cheaper than engineering and manufacturing a bunch of custom physical buttons and knobs

[–] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 40 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't accept the capitalist premise that it's normal to compromise safety for expediency and cheapness.

Also, you can reuse some of that engineering through a full line of cars.

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[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 43 points 4 months ago

I hate them so much, but every American I know likes them so it doesn't surprise me that Chinese people do too.

I want analogue switches! meow-tableflip

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[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I prefer physical controls too, but you have to understand that touchscreen car interfaces aren't meant to be used while driving- ie, you're supposed to set climate presets and use voice controls to replace the constant fiddling with buttons and dials. I hate speaking to gadgets and sure as hell don't want to talk to my car, but this is where everything is heading.

[–] FumpyAer@hexbear.net 37 points 4 months ago

Naw dog, there's nothing saying you can't use both physical dials and voice controls. False dichotomy. There should be physical controls that you don't have to look at + voice commands, not touch screen that you have to look at + voice commands.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 68 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Nobody Cares About Western Brands in China

All of the press conferences for the model debuts were in Chinese, and I didn’t always have a translator or interpreter at hand. When I could, I wandered around, looking to see what else I could learn while in China. 

The first stand I stumbled upon was Buick’s. It unveiled two GM Ultium-based concepts, the Electra L and Electra LT. It had also unveiled a PHEV version of its popular GL8 van. But where the hell was everyone? It was barely 10 a.m., on the first day of the Beijing Auto show; two concepts were just revealed sometime earlier that morning, yet there were only a handful of spectators at the Buick stand. There was no information on either concept. No one seemed to care. 

He goes on to describe the same scenario at basically all the other western brands.

Can you imagine if the Soviet Union had operated this way? Just let the western brands in and then utterly demolish them with soviet industry prices and quality. You get the benefits of competition pushing your industry to do better while demolishing any argument that your people want or would prefer western luxuries to what's available.

Closing to the capitalists was always a mistake when you could just let your own industries demolish and embarrass them.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 44 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Parenti discussed in Blackshirts and Reds how people in the Eastern bloc were seduced by Western consumer goods. The real and perceived superiority of Western treats is a form of soft power. China will not make the same mistake as them.

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The Soviet Union censorship was at a time without social media and university students finding out all the details in person. The underground radio stations and western music being played really leveled up the mystique of western goods, and the only people traveling to the west were more likely to be PMC or boojie in attitudes.

Now you have kids living in working apartments from Shenzhen and Lanzhou going to schools like University of Oklahoma going, “this is it?!?”, and sharing their complaints on WeChat

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

The USSR walked so China could run 🏃‍♂️

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 65 points 4 months ago (8 children)

i'm extremely pissed that melon-musk convinced everyone that the aesthetic of the future was putting a big ass screen for all the car controls. dogshit. asking everybody to drive into each other and die. chinese automakers could be innovating extremely retrofuture tactile controls that do all this cool shit, but no, we just have this nonsense.

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That shit should be outlawed and the marketing people who forced the engineers ti make this should be sent to siberia

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago

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[–] laziestflagellant@hexbear.net 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The big "infotainment" screens in cars genuinely give me the heebie jeebies, I can't stand looking at them. It doesn't help that reading text in a moving car as a passenger makes me motion sick.

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the one big screen is a surrogate for the 3+ smartphones each and every Chinese DiDi driver I've ever seen seemingly has.

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[–] Pili@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think the Xiaomi SU7 still has physical buttons in addition to the screen. That's what they show in their promo videos anyway. That car looks so good.

Edit: yup, it has a bunch of physical switches and even a volume knob, Xiaomi keeps winning.

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[–] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 42 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Forget electric cars show me the train-shining

[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Cope in the articles comments section

[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 27 points 4 months ago

Riot police brutally bashing unarmed college students in the background Aha! The cracks in communism are finally starting to show.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 31 points 4 months ago

and the cars it wants to foist on the public are cut-rate spyware machines designed to murder American citizens whenever the Chinese Communist Party flips the kill switch.

sicko-wistful

[–] HorseRabbit@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Those cars are undoubtedly impressive, but I hate the interiors. Screens should be integrated into the center console and nowhere near the gauge cluster.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I tend to agree; I think BYD's latest Seagull strikes the balance well, though it could do with more buttons and dials

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Only a matter of time before all the windows and windshields are just one giant LED panel

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[–] Voidance@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Probably didn’t waste enormous time and resources on ‘self-driving’ AI

[–] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, you think these are affordable? Have you forgotten the $10,000 "China Bad" fee? eco-porky

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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

That xiaomi car is sick. Nothing remotely close to available here at that price point

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