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[–] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 97 points 6 months ago (4 children)

How many 5 alarm fires does it fucking take for people to notice?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 72 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They know. They know exactly who they are supporting. They're supporting him because of the fascism, not despite it.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Either they want the fascism because they think it’ll work for them, or they want the fascism as justification for violent revolution.

Sane people are stuck in the middle.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (2 children)

At this point, I feel like we need to turn that question back around on ourselves.

This is who they are. It's who they all are. Maybe all Republicans aren't Nazis, but they are all OK with Nazis.

We need to stop trying to shame conservatives into doing the right thing. We need to stop expecting morality, or patriotism, or rationality. Conservatives will say and do whatever they think they need to say or do to win.

How many examples does it take for people to notice?

[–] LennethAegis@kbin.social 12 points 6 months ago

If there are 9 Republicans at a table with a Nazi.

[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 10 points 6 months ago

You’re now caught up on modern US politics. There are three parties, and two of them are currently unified under the DNC. Only one of them is outright loud proud fascist.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

At least one more. As always.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

It's the very same people who claim "he's just joking" or "he tells it like it is."

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 75 points 6 months ago (4 children)

At what point do we just start openly calling Republicans Nazi sympathisers? They've thrown their weight behind this shitty fascist Nazi wannabe, again, and have done fuck all against him.

They've sat down at the table with Nazis (quite literally with some of their supporters), so they may as well have to defend or accept it publicly rather than being crypto fascists about it.

[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago

They've sat down at the table with Nazis (quite literally with some of their supporters), so they may as well have to defend or accept it publicly rather than being crypto fascists about it.

They literally cannot admit it: any discussion on the topic devolves into reverse accusations about how leftism is the new fascism, even though that's a fuckin' stupid thing to say.

Conservatism has morality exactly backwards: they see their ideology as "good," so obviously fascism can't be on that same side of the spectrum! They see their beliefs and values as clearly superior because they hold them. There's no intellectual integrity there, which is why they change their minds about policy only when it has a negative impact on their life. They haven't carefully considered the topic; they've been force-fed reactionary propaganda that keeps that from happening.

Lies and anti-intilectualism are the fertilizer that fascism requires to thrive; winding up the "woke" is a deliberate effort to recruit more reactionaries.

They will never admit it, because that ruins the game.

[–] Ranvier@sopuli.xyz 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sympathizers? I mean they started the trump presidency by marching in the streets with torches and there's already been a Reichstag fire. Trump kept a collection of Hitler's speeches on his night stand and rips lines straight from it all the time. I think you can just call them Nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

[–] grue@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

At what point do we just start openly calling Republicans Nazi sympathisers?

7 years ago. You're way late to the party.

[–] SoupBrick@pawb.social 16 points 6 months ago

The main issue is with mainstream media's "both sides" approach. They will not show how far gone the Republican party is because that would drive away what little "centrist"/Republican viewers they have, which would cut into profits. If you showed every new story that came out about a Republican saying/doing some fascist ass shit, people not in the political scene would label you as a biased liberal.

[–] dharwin@kbin.social 68 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Typical Trump behavior, the "Schrödinger's Douchebag" defense. Post the content, see the reaction.

No reaction: mission accomplished, and now you know the line you can't cross is further out.

Negative reaction: I didn't do it, it was a staffer who didn't watch the video, it was just a joke bro, etc. But the message is out there all the same.

Trump is a full-on Nazi.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“This was not a campaign video, it was created by a random account online and reposted by a staffer who clearly did not see the word, while the President was in court,” Karoline Leavitt, the campaign press secretary, said in a statement.

I bet that "staffer" was Eric....

[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

In other words, “We agree with everything about the video except the fact that this particular word was used, specifically because it might get us in trouble. Please disregard the fact that this logically implies that we are literally 100% cool with the Neo-Nazi ideology, just not the terminology.”

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If your most passionate followers include an unusually high number of Nazis, checking through their videos for Nazi references becomes a necessity. Or they could have known the whole time and thought it was a good dogwhistle to their buddies and an opportunity to trigger the libs. "It's not from the Third Reich, you libs are always making up fake news about Nazi connections!"

We just don't know whether it was incompetence or pro-Nazi signaling, which is a pretty solid indictment all on its own.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

We just don’t know whether it was incompetence or pro-Nazi signaling

Yes we do. It is never, ever mere incompetence. Quit giving traitor scum who want to destroy American democracy the benefit of the doubt, not only because they don't deserve it, but because in doing so you are helping them win.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm sorry, I missed the memo that I was supposed to become a party messaging bot. Surely if we just get all weirdly aggro to people on our side about minor things and steadfastly refuse to engage with reality that will make Biden win rather than just making politics seem like a warring spin zone where no one is actually a real person.

Get lost. You're not good at politics, you're just a rando on a niche message board.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Acknowledging reality is not "becom[ing] a party messaging bot." Treating this existential threat as if it were some sort of team sports bullshit is beyond privileged; it's downright delusional.

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What's that high pitched, nearly imperceptible, whistling sound?

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Idk, I can't hear it over the neonazi fog-horn the GOP is blaring.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The Fourth Reich - "Reich Back 'Atcha"

Rated R. Starring: Donald Trump, Stephen Miller, The Jan 6th Players, and Lil' Kush

[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This may actually end in war, I'm not in good enough shape for that :(

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Better get in shape and arm up.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago

And organize

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Can you lie? Can you do sleight of hand? Can you be deliberately obtuse, incompetent, and prone to accidentally starting fires? Can you hide things or smuggle?

Partisan work may be needed for those unable to fight

[–] slurpinderpin@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

But don’t vote for Biden because gEnOcIde

This is going to get way worse folks

[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'll be the first to admit, I don't want to vote for Joe because of what's going on. I'm going to hold my nose and do it but I hate that I have to. Normally I vote 3rd party but not this year.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ballot access for third parties is important.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is it? They're never going to win and their only real impact is being a spoiler. The only third party candidate that even registered enough votes that maybe they could have been viable if things broke very differently was Ross Perot and he had mountains of cash, not a pre-existing party. Everyone knows the Greens and Libertarians aren't actually competing to win so their "messaging" is ignored by the general public and they're backdoor funded by people who hate their principles but want them to spoil their opponents.

[–] PsychedSy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago

It is. Voting third party in federal elections allows ballot access. State ballot access is insanely important for local elections and the results of that.

And third parties do win local elections. Most states aren't battleground. Why not vote third party if you're not in one?

I recognize being politically ignorant on local shit is almost reasonable right now, but fuck. Run for something if you can. Switch third party and run. It's cheap. You learn a lot.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But don’t vote for Biden because gEnOcIde

Or maybe continue pressuring him to stop supporting the genocide you're downplaying.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 4 points 6 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


NEW YORK (AP) — A video posted to Donald Trump’s account on his social media network Monday included references to a “unified Reich” among hypothetical news headlines if he wins the election in November.

It was posted and shared on the former president’s Truth Social account while he was on a lunch break from his Manhattan hush money trial.

Earlier this month, Trump said at a fundraiser that Biden is running a “Gestapo administration,” referring to the secret Nazi police force.

Trump previously used rhetoric echoing Adolf Hitler when he said immigrants entering the U.S. illegally are “poisoning the blood of our country,” and called his opponents “vermin.”

At least one of the headlines flashing in the video appears to be text that is copied verbatim from a Wikipedia entry on World War I: “German industrial strength and production had significantly increased after 1871, driven by the creation of a unified Reich.”

In one image, the headlines “Border Is Closed” and “15 Million Illegal Aliens Deported” appear above smaller text with the start and end dates of World War I.


The original article contains 377 words, the summary contains 180 words. Saved 52%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] bquintb@midwest.social 3 points 6 months ago

Because of course it does

[–] blazera@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

what, no images?