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[-] Hardy@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago
[-] abfarid@startrek.website 124 points 1 week ago

Scientific method is the best tool we have to achieve "pure objectivity and truth", but it's not perfect. The primary point of failure being application of it by extremely subjective creatures.

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

I know right? It baffles me how transphobes use "science" to be transphobic, like Sir/Ma'am, where in the chromosomes is it written "woman" or "man" or any of the stereotypes attached to those words. We made that shit up, we looked at what was there and then added meaning to it that wasn't there. We interpreted the data according to our current age's biases. Sure those wiggly things usually determine the parts you're born with, but where in those parts is it written that women are soft and belong in the kitchen?

If you were to do some unethical science you can even add/block hormones that go into the fetus during its development for it to develop bits that it wouldn't normally. Hell, you can do that well after birth and new features will develop because human bodies are rather "customisable"

sorry rant over, I don't often get to talk about this from this perspective because getting into the intricacies of subjectivity of science in regards to how human beings and our languages are flawed is a bit too advanced for the average bigot

[-] frezik@midwest.social 11 points 1 week ago

Or if you want a shorter version, "circle the part of the chromosome where it says men hold the door open for women". There are obviously differences between what's written in genes and the billion little social rules surrounding gender. It makes sense to have different terms to differentiate biology from social rules, and "sex" and "gender" can do that just fine.

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[-] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 77 points 1 week ago

"~~science~~ academia is also an industry" FTFY

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 15 points 1 week ago
[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 10 points 1 week ago

How do we rewild academia? Like I feel like this sounds like me being a JAQ off, but like, actually. I want academia to be rewilded. I don't know how to do that. I want to talk to someone about how to do that

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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 66 points 1 week ago

Yeah, but homeopathy is still bullshit.

I know that's not necessarily the intention of this meme but it's way too common in woo circles.

[-] nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago

considering the political skew on lemmy i think this is more an admonition of capitalism than of science

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[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 week ago

It's good to be skeptical of institutions, just don't go dismissing or accepting science based on ideological/class association, that's how you get shit like Lysenkoism

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 week ago

Both wrong.

It's just a process. Find evidence, make theories. Find more evidence, adjust theories or replace them.

People gotta stop injecting their religious beliefs about "the truth" or "socialism" or whatever into science. These are just your personal beliefs and science don't give a shit about any of that.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago

See: Lysenkoism

Though being aware of the biases involved in the literature is always important

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago

Man, NGT gets so much bullshit thrown his way. Sure, he's an annoying shitposter on Twitter, but the vast majority of the time he makes a public discussion with someone he's either one of or the voice of reason, and that sentence does definitely throw all nuance he has out of the window.

[-] daltotron@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

No yeah for real. I've never seen him doing anything I would really consider to be annoying, or at least, more annoying than any other science communicator, and he constantly gets shit on for being like, too cocky, but then when you push back I never get any examples of things he's actually fucked up on, just that he has bad vibes.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 12 points 1 week ago

Well, I can't imagine why a prominent and professional black man who publicly supported the Covid precautions and vaccines would have been the target of a smear campaign.

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[-] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

I don't know, even on his own podcast I found him more willing to sound right than be right. Not that he was wrong, just dropping nuance and exceptions for the sake of sounding absolute and axiomatically correct.

His words end up being easy to poke holes in if and only if you know what he's talking about. Thus I find it hard to accept what he says when I don't know what he's talking about.

Paper castles look good, but a short stone wall has a better reputation.

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[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

If all scientific knowledge were to suddenly disappear and we were to start from square one, it would all reappear exactly like it is. We would rediscover gravity, evolution, the expansion of the universe, etc.

Just because some scientific research is funded by entities with a bias, does not mean that the process of science is corrupted.

Often times the results of the research funded by biased corporations and institutions results in discovery that is contrary to the goal of the entity and so they just stop funding it. Sometimes they actively try to bury the discoveries, however the process of science will ensure that the truth comes to light eventually.

This meme has a poor understanding of science.

[-] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago

If all scientific knowledge were to suddenly disappear and we were to start from square one, it would all reappear exactly like it is.

Three competing theories of evolution arose, independently, in our world - one from British and European scientists studying the tropics, another from Russian and US scientists studying Siberia and northern North America, and a third by a Japanese scientist studying statistics and genetics. While the current consensus in evolutionary biology is that all three are true (at different timescales), the vast majority of people (and even other scientists) only know the first. This is partly because Darwin got there first, and partly because a lot of powerful people benefit from spreading social Darwinist woo.

Ironically, in a post-apocalyptic world, the powers that be would probably support the symbiotic theory, with Darwinism frowned upon as selfish individualism.

however the process of science will ensure that the truth comes to light eventually.

As Keynes said, in the long term we are all dead. Science is probably the best tool we currently have to find the truth (assuming there is a truth), but it is always important to remember that it is produced by humans, funded by interests and (mostly, though this is changing) published by for-profit journals. When reading a paper, always read the conflict of interest and funding details, and hope the authors are being honest.

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 days ago

The process of science is not corrupted but deeply flawed. It is like that, because we as a species are as well. Science is the best method we have to create secured knowledge, but it is far from perfect. Things like predatory journals, lazy to non existing peer reviews in established publications, reports about scientists who are under pressure to create positive results even if their research had none of those etc. show us that .

Capitalism plays a big part in this problem. To plainly reject that is simply naive.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Science isn't "deeply flawed", sorry, that's nonsense. Are there some players here and there that try and abuse the system, of course. These players are then rooted out and exposed, that's how it works. If someone tries to hurry research, someone else will discover it.

This entire "capitalism is the root of all evil" is nonsense too. At its core, it's the freedom to trade directly with one another and there is nothing wrong with it. Strong rules need to be in place to control that process ans the lack of that is what causes do many issues, especially in the US.

Just writing on your mobile phone, claiming science is deeply flawed, is just facepalmingly stupid.

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 5 days ago

If you really think that the core of capitalism is what you described, you have no clue what you are talking about. Funny, that you ended that by calling other peoples claims stupid.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Just out of curiosity, what do you think capitalism is?

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

The only thing that can correct bad science is good science.

That’s the great thing about the scientific method, as soon as someone presents a flawed hypothesis which is then subjected to scrutiny, good science has the opportunity to shine a light on the mistakes.

The process of science is not deeply flawed. Just because capitalism does indeed incentivize some to stray away from the scientific method does not then make science itself flawed.

You are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Capitalism is a big problem, but to say that the scientific method is deeply flawed because of capitalism is not correct.

[-] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 6 days ago

We seem to be talking about different things here: science and the scientific method. Science is a process involving many different institutions and individuals with their personal worldviews, problems and interests. The state of the scientific method is a whole other discussion, I am not able to lead.

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

The process of science is called the scientific method.

There certainly are people who call what they do ‘science’, but if they aren’t using the method, they are not doing science properly.

[-] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

Thank you, agree. But I learned from this thread that the full pic of the femboy is apparently riding a dildo which kinda fits with the masturbatory dialog, and now I'm not sure what it's trying to say.

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Regarding the masturbation and the dildo, well I suppose I have been had.

But I still disagree with that other person.

Science is better thought of as a verb, not a noun. To suggest that science is inherently corrupted by societies is to conflate science the noun with science the verb. Wank wank.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Whoever posted this meme has a poor understanding of science and isnt anything different than religious nut jobs or conspiracy types denying scientific progress

I really dislike the types, because they love using the results of science to proclaim their ignorant view points. If you really dislike science so much, for whatever reason, then reject all that comes from it. All the great food we have? Don't eat it. Don't wear modern clothes, go live in a cave wearing the skin of a bear or something.

[-] Arcity@feddit.nl -4 points 6 days ago

Too bad you can't test your theory either. So stop pointing fingers.

[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Someone is confusing true science and "Scientists says..." bullshit clickbait titles online.

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[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Science is our best attempt to understand pure, objective truth.

And more often than not, with careful reading and a little touch of skeptecism, you can pull a lot of worthwhile information out of the noise.

[-] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago

Is there a full version of the femboy wojack picture?

[-] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

That s the real question here

[-] JustAnotherUser@lemmynsfw.com 8 points 1 week ago

Artist is Bro_Aniki (xitter, r34)

Original image (from r34), I hope your client supports spoilersimage

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[-] cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world 20 points 1 week ago

Reminds me of how some people got a bunch of fake research papers published to prove how flawed the system is. And they would have gotten still more published but the WSJ caught on and they were exposed.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 17 points 1 week ago

Don't forget all the politics involved in getting funds for your research. Fun times!

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean, research funding is a huge problem, but half the problem is that journalists and reporters are largely people who went into English or Communications and stopped taking or learning any science past the high school level and thus don't actually know how to read papers or report on them. Not to mention that critically reading a scientific paper and evaluating in the context of other research takes a significant amount of time, more time than is given to write a normal newspaper article.

And they're reporting that science to people who on average know the same or less than them, so their mistakes and misreporting is never caught or corrected.

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago

Science is a method of systematically finding out the what, the how, the when and the why of the world.

Science itself has no answers, but has the questions that will lead to the answers that are the most accurate we can manage.

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

That's not how I define science.

[-] wafflez@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

"The squirrel is an animal that can climb trees"

It's being used to describe the word, not define it

[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I meant there definition in graphic from the OP.

[-] RoseTintedGlasses@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What's the point in memes where it's putting something that's just uncontroversially true and not really that complex of an idea next to a twink wojack

Edit: just read the comments smh. My bad OP you're entirely in the right for this, apparently the basic idea that the dominant ideology reproduces itself is too complicated for people to get, also someone calling you a tankie for this lol

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[-] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Capitalists AND Reviewer 2... Never underestimate the power of Reviewer 2 in publication!

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